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The Next Fox News ObamaCare Poster Victim [Updated]

28 Oct

Look for Dianne Barrette to be splashed across the screens of every Fox News show in the coming days. She’s the woman from Winter Haven, Fla. who appeared on CBS today (yes, dirty, liberal mainstream media!), complaining that her insurance is going up by ten times.

From the transcript:

Last month, [Barrette] received a letter from Blue Cross/Blue Shield informing her as of January 2014, she would lose her current plan. Barrette pays $54 a month. The new plan she’s being offered would run $591 a month, ten times more than what she currently pays. “What I have right now is what I’m happy with, and I just want to know why I can’t keep what I have. Why do I have to be forced into something else?” [says Barrette]

Sure enough, I happened to hear about five minutes of the Sean Hannity radio show today and naturally, he’s now repeating the canard, “Insurance rates are rising by ten times!” with no context–a Hannity specialty.

As with the know-nothings who appeared on Hannity’s television show last week, a diligent reporter followed up; in this case, Erik Wemple. As Wemple writes:

More coverage may provide a deeper understanding of the ins and outs of Barrette’s situation: Her current health insurance plan, she says, doesn’t cover “extended hospital stays; it’s not designed for that,” says Barrette. Well, does it cover any hospitalization? “Outpatient only,” responds Barrette. Nor does it cover ambulance service and some prenatal care. On the other hand, says Barrette, it does cover “most of my generic drugs that I need” and there’s a $50 co-pay for doctors’ appointments. “It’s all I could afford right now,” says Barrette.

In sum, it’s a pray-that-you-don’t-really-get-sick “plan.” When asked if she ever required hospitalization, Barrette says she did. It happened when she was employed by Raytheon, which provided “excellent benefits.” Ever since she left the company and started working as an independent contractor, “I haven’t been hospitalized since then, thank God.” Hospitalization is among the core requirements for health-care plans under Obamacare.

As Wemple notes, Ms. Barrette’s current coverage doesn’t cover hospital stays at all; even a short stay could well bankrupt her under her current insurance.

But let’s look a little further. From Wemple’s article, we know the county Ms. Barrette lives in (Polk County), her age (56) and her income (about $30,000 annually). That’s enough to go shopping for health insurance for her. According the results at healthcare.gov, she could get a catastrophic plan for $235 per month, a bronze plan for $327, and a silver plan for $371. All of these are cheaper than the $591 she claims her new insurance would cost her.

Furthermore, she is eligible for subsidies because her annual income is less than $46,000. Plugging in her data into the Kaiser Family Foundation Subsidy Calculator, we find that, yes indeed, she is eligible for a subsidy. That Silver plan would actually cost her $209 per month, a Bronze plan $97 per month. The Silver plan would pay 70% of her health care costs (the Bronze plan, 60%), and her maximum out-of-pocket would be $6350. She’s not likely to go bankrupt with either plan if her appendix bursts.

Listening to Hannity today, these subtleties are completely lost in favor of repeating the headline, “Under ObamaCare rates are increasing by as much as ten times!” I don’t expect much better from Fox News.

UPDATE: An article at DailyKos has more details about Ms. Barrette’s current plan:

We can see from the video that Dianne Barrette has “GoBlue plan 91”. This is a ‘limited benefit’ plan. It is widely understood that these plans are not replacments for comprehensive health insurance plans, and it’s easy to see why. If Ms. Barrette incurs $30,000 worth of medical care, the plan will pay somewhere between $50 and $500 depending on the services. There are two things you get from these plans: a provider to negotiate down rates for you, and a small amount covered by the insurer themselves. You can see the supporting documentation for this plan here:

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70 responses to “The Next Fox News ObamaCare Poster Victim [Updated]

  1. kmgtwo

    October 28, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Under the “You Can’t Make This Shit Up” heading:

    In a web feature titled “The Experts,” the Wall Street Journal ran a column today called “The Affordable Care Act Is a Socialist Ponzi Scheme.”
    The author is Suzanne Somers, whom millennials might recognize from her starring role on ABC’s family-oriented ’90s sitcom “Step By Step.”

    I await more in depth analysis from Victoria Jackson.

     
    • watsonthethird

      October 28, 2013 at 5:25 pm

      lol. Every government program is a Ponzi scheme according to conservatives–until they need it. Then it magically becomes something they paid for and deserve.

       
    • watsonthethird

      October 28, 2013 at 5:42 pm

      Jonathon Chait does a nice job of analyzing Somers’ op-Ed. Good for a few laughs.

      “Somers may lack the “qualifications” to analyze public policy of an Alicia Munnell, but she has written no fewer than 24 books on beauty, aging, weight loss, and other issues relevant to health care generally, and whatever she lacks in traditional analytic skills, she more than makes up for with a strong love of freedom. If your newspaper is going to publish a weekly column by Karl Rove, you have already crossed whatever conceptual boundary might stop you from publishing Suzanne Somers.”

      http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/10/suzanne-somerss-strong-wsj-obamacare-critique.html?mid=twitter_dailyintelligencer

       
  2. Cluster

    October 29, 2013 at 5:14 am

    Just a little update for KMG:

    Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance

    Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”

    This investigation is from NBC News of all places, a loyal Obama media outlet, which means KMG is even more partisan, and more willing to cover for Obama than NBC News.

    That fact needs to be kept in mind when reading anything from KMG.

    http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

     
    • kmgtwo

      October 29, 2013 at 5:42 am

      Here’s a little truth for you, Cluster, from the other thread.

      http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/28/2850061/wrong-story-obama-knowing-health-care-policy-cancelled

      It’s hard to call something a lie when the administration was completely open about which plans would be grandfathered. Now you are trying to call the administration liars for telling the truth and holding them responsible for the insurance companies’ choices. It’s not that I’m “willing to cover for Obama,” it’s that I believe in the truth.

       
      • Cluster

        October 29, 2013 at 5:53 am

        So now you’re linking to an article that says the admin KNEW that grandfathered policies would ultimately change, not conform and be cancelled?

        I will remind you that just yesterday you emphatically said that Obama was telling the truth about his adamant position that “if you like your plan, you can keep it” – when you discovered that policies would be grandfathered – but now you’re saying that Obama knew all along that that wasn’t the truth and the admin “publicly admitted” it.

        Wow, you are going to hurt yourself with all the positions you have taken lately.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 6:04 am

        Well. let’s see:

        1) Before the ACA took effect in March 2010, Obama said you can keep your insurance policy.
        2) The ACA explicitly states that policies existing before March 2010 are grandfathered and exempt from ACA requirements.
        3) Historically, turnover is high in the individual insurance market. Based on that history, HHS projected that 40% to 67% of individuals would enter the ACA not because they were being forced to, but because that was the normal turnover rate.

        The right keeps grasping at straws to find anything to blame Obama for. You paint this as some nefarious plot to fool people when the administration has been completely open about the turnover. Now you want to say he lied when he clearly told the truth. As long as an insurance company maintained an exempted plan, you could keep it. When you left that plan, either voluntarily or because the insurance company discontinued it, you would have to enroll in an ACA-compliant plan. It’s not hard to understand if you take your partisan blinders off.

         
      • Cluster

        October 29, 2013 at 7:58 am

        It’s just weird that I can’t find any statement from Obama where he says – “33% – 60% of you will not be able to keep your existing insurance”. Maybe you can help you out here.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 5:21 pm

        Your right, Cluster. Obama should have said:

        “If you like your insurance, you can keep it. Unless you are a typical consumer in the individual insurance market who typically changes policies on a yearly basis, or if your insurer chooses to discontinue your plan, or if your insurer offers you a non-conforming plan after March 2010 and doesn’t tell you that plan will be discontinued in January 2014. But, regardless, the government will not force you to leave your plan if you like it.”

        Yeah, all that just rolls right off the tongue. Instead, the administration was very open about the expected number of people who would be leaving grandfathered plans when they were discussing actual policy details, as was reported in the press at the time.

         
      • Cluster

        October 29, 2013 at 5:25 pm

        NO, they were not “open” about it – that is the entire fucking point. When Obama said; “if you like your plan, you can keep it. Period, end of story”. That’s a direct quote from Obama.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 5:31 pm

        Christ, this is getting tedious. I’ve already provided links to press reports from 2010 about grandfathering and HHS projections on how many people would leave grandfathered plans and enter ACA plans. Your own links reference it. You don’t read links anyone else provides, and now I’m convinced you don’t even read your own. You just copy them down from Drudge, Hotair, or Free Republic and run with them.

         
      • Cluster

        October 29, 2013 at 6:07 pm

        Again, these reports come from the liberal outlets of CBS and NBC.

         
    • rustybrown2012

      October 29, 2013 at 7:44 am

      Question: If NBC is a “loyal Obama media outlet”, why are they calling Obama a liar? Curious definition of loyalty…

       
  3. Cluster

    October 29, 2013 at 5:22 am

    Thank goodness stupid people like Dianne Barrette have smart liberals looking out for her and will only double her current rates, right? Who does she think she is?

    But that’s of course if Dianne can find a doctor:

    A poll conducted by the New York State Medical Society finds that 44 percent of MDs said they are not participating in the nation’s new health-care plan. Another 33 percent say they’re still not sure whether to become ObamaCare providers. Only 23 percent of the 409 physicians queried said they’re taking patients who signed up through health exchanges. “This is so poorly designed that a lot of doctors are afraid to participate,” said Dr. Sam Unterricht, president of the 29,000-member organization. “There’s a lot of resistance. Doctors don’t know what they’re going to get paid.”

    http://nypost.com/2013/10/29/docs-resisting-obamacare/

     
    • kmgtwo

      October 29, 2013 at 5:48 am

      Do you have a link to the actual survey? I can’t seem to find it on the New York State Medical Society’s website.

       
      • Cluster

        October 29, 2013 at 5:56 am

        Let’s just call the NY Post liars, it’s so much easier. So now already this morning, we have NBC and the NY Post as documented liars, and the Obama admin. as the only truth tellers.

        And you don’t think you’re a partisan. LOL.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 6:06 am

        A little defensive there, Cluster? I asked if you had a link because I prefer reading original source material. I could only find that article in two places: The NY Post and the Washington Times. I couldn’t find the original study so I thought you may know where it is.

         
      • Cluster

        October 29, 2013 at 8:10 am

        I’m not defensive, I am just stating the obvious. You have now called NBC and the NY Post liars this morning.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 8:16 am

        Fail. Try to answer the question, Cluster. Which regulations and how?

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 8:19 am

        Accidentally posted that last comment twice.

        You say i called the NY Post and Washington Times liars. I say that’s a lie. Show me where I said either one lied.

         
      • Cluster

        October 29, 2013 at 8:49 am

        You are disputing their findings, so in a sense, you are calling them less then truthful at the very least.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 8:58 am

        Yo are still lying, Cluster. Where did I dispute the findings? I only asked if you had a link to the survey.

         
  4. kmgtwo

    October 29, 2013 at 6:43 am

    Cluster,

    Why don’t you try supporting your contention that Obama lied? Tell me how the ACA forced anyone off of a grandfathered plan they were otherwise fully eligible to retain?

     
    • Cluster

      October 29, 2013 at 7:56 am

      Regulations KMG, that the admin knew full well would result it what happened. Yet despite that knowledge, Obama continued to say otherwise. But keep the blinders on buddy, I don’t want to ruin your world view. Things are going along just great – call Valerie Jarrett, she will smooth things over for you.

       
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 8:15 am

        Fail. Try to answer the question, Cluster. Which regulations and how?

         
      • Cluster

        October 29, 2013 at 8:48 am

        Read the article KMG – it’s not me reporting it – it’s Lisa Myers with NBC news.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 9:03 am

        So you can’t answer? Got it.

         
      • Cluster

        October 29, 2013 at 10:17 am

        It’s actually detailed in the article. That’s why I said – “read the article”

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 12:11 pm

        It’s actually not detailed in the article, since NBA didn’t say Obama lied. You should be able to explain it yourself, shouldn’t you? You do know enough about the topic, right? Or do you let others do your thinking for you?

         
      • Cluster

        October 29, 2013 at 3:52 pm

        It’s in the second paragraph KMG. Please tell me you’re not this dense in real life:

        None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example — the policy would not be grandfathered.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 4:07 pm

        Actually, the rules were loosened in 2010, not tightened:

        Under the original regulation only self-funded plans could “change third-party administrators without necessarily losing their grandfathered plan status.” Yesterday’s update, “allows all group health plans to switch insurance companies and shop for the same coverage at a lower cost while maintaining their grandfathered status, so long as the structure of the coverage doesn’t violate one of the other rules for maintaining grandfathered plan status”

        If you follow the link, you can go the actual HHS rule.

        So, it seems you are angry that the government didn’t mandate that insurance companies couldn’t cancel grandfathered policies. Odd that you are now advocating a government takeover of the health insurance market.

        And you still haven’t answered my question.

         
      • Cluster

        October 29, 2013 at 4:38 pm

        I am not angry moron. I am simply trying to show you what is being reported by every major media outlet, and you remain in denial. It’s absolutely stunning the lengths you will go to cover for this President. Does Obama have pictures of you or something?

         
      • Cluster

        October 29, 2013 at 4:39 pm

        Oh and incidentally, Think Progress is not a credible source. Just saying. You seem to rely them a lot.

         
      • Cluster

        October 29, 2013 at 4:47 pm

        Here’s another recent report from CBS. Now, tell me what part of this jibes with Obama’s declarative statement that “if you like your plan, you can keep it”? I love watching your contortions.

        CBS News has confirmed with insurance companies across the country that more than two million people are getting notices they no longer can keep their existing plans. In California, there are 279,000; in Michigan, 140,000; Florida, 300,000; and in New Jersey, 800,000. And those numbers are certain to go even higher. Some companies who tell CBS News they’ve sent letters won’t say how many.

        http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57609737/obamacare-more-than-2-million-people-getting-booted-from-existing-health-insurance-plans/

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 4:08 pm

        NBA in my comment above should be NBC.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 5:12 pm

        Once again, Cluster, (and I’m typing slow so you can follow along) policies that existed prior to March 2010 were grandfathered. The government did not force a single individual to leave those policies. If the insurance company discontinued the policy, that was their free market choice. Some insurance companies decided to gouge their customers for three more years by initiating policies they knew would not legal after January 2014. Those are the policies that are being cancelled WILLINGLY BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES. They made the free market choice to offer a product they knew they could not offer after this year.

        Why do you hate the free market so much?

         
      • Cluster

        October 29, 2013 at 5:22 pm

        You’re so fucking stupid it makes me hurt. Right wing talking points!!!!!! CBS and NBC are reporting this moron.

        I will type slowly for you – regulations were put in place that mandated coverages that Obama and the administration KNEW many policies would not conform to, thus would result in cancellations. Those are regulations the government put in place, not the free market. And those were plans that people liked, were paying for, wanted to keep, and of which Obama said they could keep, when he KNEW that was not the truth.

        You’re like debating a child.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 5:16 pm

        Oh and incidentally, Think Progress is not a credible source. Just saying. You seem to rely them a lot.

        And you didn’t even read the story, nor the actual HHS rule change linked to in the story. But that’s typical for you, Cluster. You much prefer arguing from a position of truthiness rather than truth. You swallow the right-wing talking points and have no inclination to look beyond them.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 5:26 pm

        regulations were put in place that mandated coverages that Obama and the administration KNEW many policies would not conform to, thus would result in cancellations.

        And that is the problem. Your statement is demonstrably false, as has been shown over and over again. policies that existed prior to the ACA being passed were grandfathered. The government didn’t force a single one of those policies to be cancelled. Put up or shut up. Show me the part of the ACA that mandated that existing policies would be outlawed and not grandfathered.

         
      • Cluster

        October 29, 2013 at 6:07 pm

        I already did. It’s in the second paragraph of Lisa Meyers report where it stated that “any change” to the policy would terminate the grandfather clause. Any change whatsoever.

        Hell KMG, even Clarence Page with Chicago Tribune said that the President was less than truthful and that this would hurt him. Every media outlet is reporting this. What is it about Obama that you love so much. Is it a man crush?

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 6:43 pm

        And Myers’ report directly contradicts the actual rule. Why do you believe news report over the actual wording of the HHS rule? Oh, that’s right. You didn’t read either one.

         
      • Cluster

        October 29, 2013 at 6:48 pm

        This isn’t about the HHS. This is about Obama and what he promised straight up, over a dozen times, even when he knew it to be false.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 29, 2013 at 7:38 pm

        So now it’s not about the truth, but only about Obama not having enough words in his sentence.

        I give up. I can only beat my head against the wall so many times.

         
      • Cluster

        October 30, 2013 at 4:34 am

        Well the beating of your head against the wall explains a lot. Here’s the truth –

        1. Millions of people are losing their existing insurance, grandfathered or not
        2. The mandate which was sold as a “fine”, was morphed into a tax by the SC to pass constitutionality

        The ACA was SOLD by Obama on the premise that “if you were happy with your plan, you could keep it, period, end of story”. (Everyone believed him). And that if you did not purchase insurance, you would be “fined” (conveniently avoiding his no tax increase for middle class pledge)

        As it turns out, both of those “promises” are not true. Do you think this purely partisan legislation would have been passed had Obama told the truth? Here is what an honest person would have said:

        “With the passage of the ACA, many of you will lose your existing coverage because it will not comply with new regulations, and if you fail to purchase a new mandated insurance policy, you will be taxed”

        Crusty,

        Moron is a term of endearment and “fucking stupid” is an adjective. LOL.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 30, 2013 at 5:17 am

        “With the passage of the ACA, many of you will lose your existing coverage because it will not comply with new regulations, and if you fail to purchase a new mandated insurance policy, you will be taxed”

        This would be more accurate:

        “With the passage of the ACA, those of you who currently have insurance will not be forced to change unless your insurance company makes significant changes to your policy, they discontinue your policy, or you voluntarily choose to leave your current policy. The historical nature of the individual insurance market is that a majority of the people in that market (around 5% of the population) will leave their current policies over the next three years when the ACA takes full effect, resulting in the ability to purchase better insurance. Those of you who have been told to go fuck yourselves by the insurance companies because you have something they determine to be a preexisting condition can now say, ‘Fuck me? No, fuck you.’ You will now be able to purchase health insurance at affordable rates.”

        Unless you attribute special mind-reading powers to Obama, he could not have known at the time what the Supreme Court was going to do. But, of course, since Obama didn’t read their minds, he obviously lied.

         
      • Cluster

        October 30, 2013 at 5:37 am

        Bill Maher, of all people, makes my point for me:

        BILL MAHER: It sure is hard if you’re a politician, not that I’m really that sympathetic to them, to try to get information into people’s heads. I don’t think Obama should have lied to people.
        PIERS MORGAN, HOST: It was a lie, wasn’t it?
        MAHER: Well, hold on. First of all, insurance companies are always dropping people from their plans. This goes on, this went on before ObamaCare went on, after ObamaCare. We’re losing a lot of perspective here. But, yeah, he probably should have not been so blatant about saying you iron clad guarantee.
        On the other hand, since he got no Republican votes and no Republican help, and since three years after it’s a law they’re still fighting it, can you imagine what it would be like if he said, “Yeah, some people your rates are going to up.” I mean, he, the thing passed by this much. If they said that, they might have lost the whole thing. And politicians are always making compromises like that.

        And it is not “significant” changes that need to happen to lose grandfather status. It is “any” change, no matter how small. My premium went up by approx. 20% last May, that’s a change, and now I am no longer grandfathered.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 30, 2013 at 6:14 am

        In my world, a 20% premium increase constitutes a significant change. YMMV.

        In any case, I’m done with this topic. All we are doing is saying the same things to each other over and over again.

         
      • rustybrown2012

        October 30, 2013 at 7:45 am

        Ccluster,

        Calling someone “fucking stupid” is the equivalent of name calling, and “moron” is direct name calling. But you don’t have to explain it to me, I’m not the one who’s sensitive to invectives – you are, remember?

         
      • Cluster

        October 30, 2013 at 9:00 am

        Please get a sense of humor.

         
      • rustybrown2012

        October 30, 2013 at 9:22 am

        Please learn how to be humorous.

         
      • Cluster

        October 30, 2013 at 11:30 am

        OK now that was actually funny.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 30, 2013 at 5:05 pm

        Fine, tired,

        Here is what Sebelius said at today’s hearing when asked about Obama’s statement:

        “Mr. Chairman, there was no change,” Sebelius said. “The regulation involving grandfathered plans, which applied to both the employer market and the individual market, indicated that if a plan was in effect in March of 2010, stayed in effect without unduly burdening the consumer with reducing benefits and adding on huge costs, that plan would stay in effect and never have to comply with any regulations of the Affordable Care Act.”

        “That’s what the grandfather clause said. The individual market which affects about 12 million Americans, about 5 percent of the market. People move in and out. They often have coverage for less than a year. A third of them have coverage for about six months. And if a plan was in place in March of 2010 and again did not impose additional burdens on the consumer, they still have it. It’s grandfathered in.”

        Disprove that statement and provide your sources. Original sources only, such as the text of the ACA. If you can’t disprove it, then we know who is actually telling the truth, don’t we?

         
      • Cluster

        October 30, 2013 at 6:14 pm

        KMG,

        You are completely missing the point, and of course no one is shocked by that. No one is disputing the regulation written within the bill. EVERYONE is disputing the way Obama sold it. And that includes even one of the most liberal people on the planet Bill Maher. But of course Obama knew he had to sell it that way, because of people knew what was going to happen, and has happened, it would have never passed.

        I also take exception with this “only 5% of the population” meme that is repeated by liberal minions like you, Obama and Jay Carney. 5% is a hell of a lot of people and they matter too.

         
      • Cluster

        October 30, 2013 at 6:27 pm

        I have to admit KMG though that watching shocked liberals is priceless. Here, an NBC commentator learned that his premiums will rise because of the ACA (the first word being “affordable”)

        On Oct. 30’s “Squawk Box,” CNBC Senior Correspondent Scott Cohn revealed details of NBC’s open enrollment, brandishing an official fact book outlining the process. He quoted the document, revealing that the ACA would increase employee premiums.

        Cohn observed “Some of these costs, when you look at this, are way up — double digits.”

        Aetna Chairman and CEO, Mark Bertolini explained that “Aetna alone will pass through to its customers over a billion dollars of taxes and fees associated with the Affordable Care Act.”

        Ironically, NBC has worked hard to promote Obamacare. In the week before the exchanges opened, NBC launched their own week-long campaign, to “help Americans get the most out of the Affordable Care Act.” NBC affiliate MSNBC was even more blatant in touting Obamacare.

        According to the new health plan, “federally mandated health care changes will require Comcast-NBCUniversal to pay new fees and implement plan design changes that will contribute to the increased cost of our plans.”

        These plan changes would also affect other NBCUniversal outlets like NBC and MSNBC.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 30, 2013 at 6:23 pm

        In other words, Cluster, it wasn’t a lie.

         
      • Cluster

        October 30, 2013 at 6:29 pm

        Well, you’re the only person on the planet that believes that.

         
      • Cluster

        October 30, 2013 at 6:30 pm

        I have to think that Obama has pictures of you in compromising positions. I have never, ever, seen anyone be suck a lackey for a President. It’s just weird.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 30, 2013 at 6:47 pm

        You’re the one who said it wasn’t what he said, it was the way he said it. Now you’re trying to backtrack. You’ve already admitted that you can’t disprove Sebelius’ statement.

        And perhaps NBC should shop around for a different insurance provider.

         
      • Cluster

        October 30, 2013 at 6:50 pm

        No, it was WHAT he said, and HOW he said it. All of the above. And you may want to contact Mary Lamdrieu’s office. According to you, she is also misguided – LOL

        Sen. Mary Landrieu said Wednesday she would propose legislation to ensure all Americans could keep their existing insurance coverage under Obamacare, a fresh sign of the political problems the law’s rollout has created for congressional Democrats… “The promise was made, and it should be kept,” Landrieu said in the Capitol Wednesday. “And it was our understanding when we voted for that bill that people when they have insurance could keep with what they had. So I’m going to be working on that fix.”…

         
      • Cluster

        October 30, 2013 at 6:52 pm

        But NBC was obviously happy with their provider before the ACA. Why should they have to shop for a new one?

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 30, 2013 at 7:29 pm

        No one is disputing the regulation written within the bill. EVERYONE is disputing the way Obama sold it.

        No, it was WHAT he said, and HOW he said it. All of the above.

        You really need to get your story straight. Your going to hurt yourself twisting in so many directions at one time.

        So you still can’t disprove Obama’s statement? If he lied, it should be pretty easy to do. I’ve been waiting since this whole thing started and you still haven’t provided anything but opinion.

         
      • Cluster

        October 31, 2013 at 5:16 am

        Well like I said, you’re the only one who believes Obama was honest. Bill Maher, Piers Morgan, NBC, and many Democrat elected officials believe he lied and misled. And I think the evidence is overwhelming that he did and I have laid that evidence out in detail.

        So you go ahead and live in your own little world. Have fun.

         
      • Cluster

        October 31, 2013 at 5:35 am

        Obama 2009: “No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people. If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.”

        Make note of the phrases – keep this promise, no one will take it away, no matter what.

        He continued to repeat this statement for the next four years. In the adult, non partisan world, this is called a lie. Just FYI.

         
      • tiredoflibbs

        October 31, 2013 at 2:06 am

        kmg: “So you still can’t disprove Obama’s statement? If he lied, it should be pretty easy to do.”

        Cluster did and it was very easy. You’ve put up quote after quote from Sebelius on down, and NONE of them contradict or come close to what pResident obame said. You are just in denial. You refuse to believe that “The One You’ve Been Waiting For” lied on more than one occasion.

        Eventually, you will reach the acceptance stage – denial and anger are the first two and normally the toughest.

         
      • kmgtwo

        October 31, 2013 at 5:50 am

        Plans that existed prior to March 2010 were grandfathered. That makes it the truth. FYI.

        Why are you so disappointed that Obama didn’t force insurers to keep those plans active and force people to stay in them? You don’t think very much of the free market, do you?

         
      • Cluster

        October 31, 2013 at 6:36 am

        There is absolutely no hope for you my man. Enjoy your bubble.

         
  5. casper

    October 30, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Tired,
    Welcome to the blog.

    First, an observation. You are here because a number of libs, including myself, spoke up for you. I look forward to you debating you as long as you make rational arguments and you stay away from the name calling.
    Second, a couple of questions. Why are you here? Most of the contributors here are liberals, or people you consider liberals that have been banned from B4V. Why do you wish to interact with people you dislike?

     
    • Cluster

      October 30, 2013 at 6:09 pm

      Casper,

      Tired is here because I approved his comment. It has nothing to do with anyone speaking up for him.

       
      • casper

        October 30, 2013 at 6:21 pm

        Cluster,
        Good for you.

         
 
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