Posted by mitchethekid on September 14, 2013 in Uncategorized
September 14, 2013 at 9:43 am
Rico and Rusty – this is for you.
Most experts believe that warming of less than 2 degrees Celsius from preindustrial levels will result in no net economic and ecological damage. Therefore, the new report is effectively saying (based on the middle of the range of the IPCC’s emissions scenarios) that there is a better than 50-50 chance that by 2083, the benefits of climate change will still outweigh the harm.
Warming of up to 1.2 degrees Celsius over the next 70 years (0.8 degrees have already occurred), most of which is predicted to happen in cold areas in winter and at night, would extend the range of farming further north, improve crop yields, slightly increase rainfall (especially in arid areas), enhance forest growth and cut winter deaths (which far exceed summer deaths in most places). Increased carbon dioxide levels also have caused and will continue to cause an increase in the growth rates of crops and the greening of the Earth—because plants grow faster and need less water when carbon dioxide concentrations are higher.
September 14, 2013 at 9:58 am
Mr. Ridley seems to expect the reader to take his word for it. He documents nothing. For all we know it is nothing more than rumor, hearsay, and innuendo. In fact, that’s my bet.
And darn it, I thought you learned your lesson! I’m very disappointed. [shakes finger wildly at Cluster]
September 14, 2013 at 10:00 am
(Laughs amusingly at Rico) – Let’s just wait for the IPCC update on September 27th shall we? And in the meantime, we and the plants can enjoy the warmer temps.
September 14, 2013 at 11:54 am
Cluster: Let’s just wait for the IPCC update on September 27th shall we?
Why do you have such a fascination with the IPCC? Do you think they are in possession of the Holy Grail or something?
I do, however, notice that you seem to have abandoned (at least momentarily) your previous claim that “global warming is happening but humans are not involved” in favor of Ridley’s claim that “it is and they are, but it’s all good.” Of course, I’m quite sure that you’ll change your logic and your tune again very soon, whenever something else the least bit contrary emerges — regardless of its merit or its consistency with your prior claims. You say it’s because you’re “skeptical”, but it’s becoming clearer and clearer that you either cannot or will not evaluate ANY of the evidence on ANY level, and thus you simply grasp at whatever straw is available in an effort to continue to believe what you want to believe and just pray that it’s right.
September 14, 2013 at 12:16 pm
I do, however, notice that you seem to have abandoned (at least momentarily) your previous claim that “global warming is happening but humans are not involved”
But see that was never my claim. It’s really hard to have a serious debate with you when you constantly operate under false pretenses. I have never argued the warming trend, or man’s complicity on some level (although not the level the IPCC or people like you contend). What I do oppose strongly, are the conclusions of the IPCC and people like you – and I have said that repeatedly. And now this report is confirming my opinion, and departing from yours. So you might want to start praying.
September 14, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Why do you have such a fascination with the IPCC?
They are the vaunted authority on such matters that generate the reports that 97% of scientists conclude from, are they not? You know that 97% “consensus” that apparently now equates to scientific fact.
September 14, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Cluster: But see that was never my claim.
Oh, really?? It sure did sound like it to me. But more important than that is your seeming reluctance to state, with anything resembling clarity, what you ARE claiming.
Like I said before, (specifically, on September 4, 2013 at 8:40 am on the Labor Day Weekend Open Thread) “I have no problem with dissent per se, so long as it’s reasonable. The overarching problem I have is that I can’t detect A COHERENT, LOGICAL, and/or MEANINGFUL argument in your dissent. Every time I ask questions that probe how thoughtful your dissent is you ignore them, and instead continue with a scattershot of absurdities which, oftentimes, don’t even bear up to a careful read of the articles you, yourself post. That’s not dissent, that’s just sad.”
Sadder still is the fact that nothing has changed since then – you STILL haven’t explained what your position is. And yet you have the nerve to say this: “It’s really hard to have a serious debate with you when you constantly operate under false pretenses.”
We’ve passed sad at this point and are well into the pathetic range.
September 14, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Cluster: They are the vaunted authority on such matters that generate the reports that 97% of scientists conclude from, are they not?
I’ve decided I will be as obtuse as you yourself are. But I will be clear: no, you are incorrect.
….you STILL haven’t explained what your position is
Well at least you have the sad part right. My position is, and always has been, that alarmists like you, Al Gore, and the IPCC are full of shit. Is that clear enough?
September 14, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Cluster: My position is, and always has been, that alarmists like you and the IPCC are full of shit.
And here I thought you weren’t able to come up with A COHERENT, LOGICAL, and/or MEANINGFUL argument in which to voice your dissent and were instead just flinging shit. BOY did you prove ME wrong!
September 14, 2013 at 10:34 am
What does any of the above have to do with a cynical rip-off of John Lennon and The Beatles?
September 14, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Mitch: What does any of the above have to do with a cynical rip-off of John Lennon and The Beatles?
Nothing, obviously. It’s more like Elmer Fudd ripping off The Boss.
September 14, 2013 at 6:22 pm
I absolutely loveRobin Williams, especially back in his early 80’s stand-up days. A genius of the highest order. At the end of his show he would pay homage to Einstein. What a mind. Earthquakes in California is god saying “Get those Condos off my back”. People in Marin County are so rich, they don’t get the crabs, the get the lobsters. They have an alligator nailed to the side of their house. And their medical alert braselet says “Quickly, a Perrier and a BMW”.
September 14, 2013 at 7:16 pm
While I agree with everything you say, Mitch. But back when Robin Williams was starting he had to compete with the likes of Steve Martin and Lily Tomlin. Robin Williams himself often paid homage to Jonathan Winters. And though the lineage is not linear, I’d say the current kings of surreal comedy are Demetri Martin and Louis CK. Just my two cents.
September 14, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Yes, Winters was his Muse and mentor.
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