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Question Authority

12 Sep

I come from a generation that was proud to question authority, but with the election of Barack Obama, that duty of the American public has not only diminished, it is actually scorn by the media and loyal minions (yes that’s you Rusty). As a conservative/libertarian, I am always suspicious of government and even challenged GW Bush on many accounts; his plan following the invasion of Iraq, his selection of Harriet Myers, his immigration proposal, his prescription D plan, allowing NCLB to be an unfunded mandate, his reluctance to be aggressive on domestic oil extraction, etc.. There were many instances where I and other conservatives were not pleased, and even a little suspicious of what the hell he was doing. Sadly though, there are too many compliant Americans now who are reluctant, if even afraid to question the high minded motives of the almighty Barack Obama. What’s even sadder is that I believe that reluctance is because he is half black, and as Ed Asner recently stated, no one wants to feel “anti black”. What a sad, sad statement on our culture.

I would think that with 12% unemployment in the black community, less than 2% GDP growth, the Obamacare nightmare, and the mess that is his foreign policy, there would be plenty to criticize this President about, but did you know he is friends with JayZ?

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Posted by on September 12, 2013 in Open Thread, President Obama

 

23 responses to “Question Authority

  1. mitchethekid

    September 12, 2013 at 11:07 am

    You do realize that this is a parody. Of conservatives! Conservatives who unquestioningly support conservative “leaders” and conservative “ideas”. Ha!

     
    • Cluster

      September 12, 2013 at 11:16 am

      It’s a parody of all minions who blindly support authority – we have some here.

       
  2. bardolf2

    September 12, 2013 at 11:49 am

    “I come from a generation that was proud to question authority.”

    I come from a generation that doesn’t even listen to authority. No point in questioning liars. Who are the liars? The boomers. Al Gore on just about everything, Bill Clinton on just about everything, George Bush on the war, economy, i.e. just about everything. Barack Obama is at the tail end of the boomers so he only lies if he can’t be perceived as incompetent.

    The boomers challenged authority like Jackson Pollock challenged convention.

    http://gizmodo.com/5686753/how-the-cia-spent-secret-millions-turning-modern-art-into-a-cold-war-arsenal

     
    • Cluster

      September 12, 2013 at 12:23 pm

      You’re exactly right. I use to work for my college radio station (and did a reggae show, Mitch should like that), and displayed prominently in the studio was a sign that read: Question Authority. We were a bunch of pot smoking radicals. We need more of that attitude.

      I have to tell you that when I heard the elitist Nancy Pelosi say – “we have to pass it, to find out what’s in it”, re: the healthcare law, my jaw hit the floor. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. People like Boehner, McConnell, Reid, Biden, McCain etc., are all self entitled elitists that have little regard for the average American and believe themselves to be a cut above, and all knowing. Throw the SOB’s out on their ass – and let’s not put up with this shit anymore.

       
      • meursault1942

        September 12, 2013 at 3:45 pm

        “Throw the SOB’s out on their ass – and let’s not put up with this shit anymore.”

        One of the most frustrating dynamics of American politics is how the country says, “Throw the bums out!” en masse, but then when it’s time to actually vote…the bums win. It’s not “throw the bums out” so much as it is “people in other states should throw their bums out–our guys aren’t the real bums.” Gah!

        Although I’m pretty sure that doesn’t hold true for you, Cluster–I imagine you really enjoy getting to vote against McCain!

         
      • Cluster

        September 12, 2013 at 4:04 pm

        I take delight in voting against McCain, although his last primary opponent wasn’t that great either. I am also not real pleased with my other Senator Jeff Flake. It seems that he has joined the good ole boy club real early and is hoping to simply follow McCains lead.

         
    • mitchethekid

      September 12, 2013 at 12:43 pm

      I’m a boomer, I don’t lie and I still question authority. You must be younger and just took the next logical step! Also like Jackson Pollock. Did you see Ed Harris’s portrayal of him?

       
      • bardolf2

        September 12, 2013 at 1:50 pm

        I did see Ed Harris’s portrayal and enjoyed it immensely. I love Pollock even after finding out he was a tool of the CIA and the whole “overthrow the art world” was just a ruse to show Europeans and the world how alternative and free the US was in the 1960’s.

        I’m just slightly below boomer with the advantage of knowing that my generation is just 1 among many. We also know the world will be here in another 100 years, and that by and large things are better than 10,20,50,100 years ago. We know that both the Evangelical Rapture and Al Gore world collapse scenario are products of the same boomer mentality of hoping to be the last generation on Earth.

        There is a certain humor in being TOLD to question authority by adults. It’s a little like reading Catcher in the Rye in school. Most of the point is to realize that adults don’t have a clue, are hypocrites, hold 3rd grade petty grudges etc. That should be independently discovered, not taught in 10th grade English.

         
      • mitchethekid

        September 12, 2013 at 4:36 pm

        I didn’t know that Pollock worked for the CIA. Maybe that’s why his work was abstract.
        I must say though, that I disagree with your of description Boomer mentality as hoping to be the last generation on Earth. If there is any POV that I developed in the late ’60’s and early 70’s it was an acceptance of the fact that we are not going to be the last, nor were we the first. (First in some ways, but that’s another subject.) The idea of Evangelical Rapture has been around for centuries and Al Gore has merely pointed out the dangers human behavior poses to the habitability of the planet.
        What was that crappy movie from the late 60’s were the line was “Don’t trust anyone over 30”?

         
      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]

        September 12, 2013 at 2:35 pm

        I did see that one and it’s not everyday that as an actor you get to have fake sex on screen with your real wife. Harris kicked ass as McCain in Game Change as well.

         
      • bardolf2

        September 12, 2013 at 10:13 pm

        I don’t think the idea of huge Evangelical Rapture has been around for centuries. The whole Left Behind series and accompanying philosophy by boomer Jerry Jepkins has truly become overemphasized in the US even if the vague ideas of a rapture have been around since 1830’s.

        Al Gore doesn’t merely point out dangers. He profits from them and promises extreme events in the relatively short term. That’s dangerous for science since the dangers might be in 2 generations and Al has promised them pronto.

        You might not be a boomer who thinks the world should end with them, but there are too many that do. Even some rational boomers will not only say things like there hasn’t been any good music since the 1960’s but actually believe it, hoping against good new music. Like the Miami Dolphins hoping nobody ever goes undefeated in the pros.

        Plus, whoever created the whole self-esteem movement should be shot. Just my 2 cents.

         
      • ricorun

        September 13, 2013 at 8:06 pm

        baldorf: I don’t think the idea of huge Evangelical Rapture has been around for centuries.

        Apparently you haven’t read the gospel according to John — or Genesis, for that matter.

         
      • bardolf2

        September 13, 2013 at 11:37 pm

        ricorun

        I’ve read both Genesis and the Gospel of John. My point is that the emphasis on the rapture that you see on today’s car bumper stickers is at most 200 years old going back to John Nelson Darby and is an Anglo/American affair. It has become immensely popular with the boomer conservatives who think they can trash the planet and then be miraculously lifted in the air during the end times while others are left behind to fight it out.

        The return of Christ to his Kingly reign is of course mentioned throughout scriptures and judgement is mentioned as well, but nowhere is a Platonic heaven separate from an evil material earth described.

         
  3. rustybrown2012

    September 12, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Cluster,

    It’s ironic that you should peg me as one who doesn’t question authority when I have already stated my opposition to Obama on the very issue (Syria). You may pigeonhole me as an Obama loyalist, but you would be wrong as I have many disagreements with this administration. You are aware that opinion polls are strongly against Obama in his quest for strikes against Syria, aren’t you? Do you think a good portion of that opposition includes people who voted for Obama, like myself? Of course it does. But it’s a lot easier to pretend your opposition is marching lockstep, and vilify them for it. You’re like amazona, who finds it much easier to argue with the straw man liberals in her head than actually engage with the ones in front of them.

     
    • Cluster

      September 12, 2013 at 2:12 pm

      I haven’t read where you were in opposition to Syria, but the Syria issue is probably the single issue where I have witnessed any dissent from this President amongst his loyalists. And it’s an easy one to dissent on and that. For five years, the sycophantic media (think: MSNBC) and all of his devoted followers have been in lockstep with him on every issue without questioning a thing – you may not have noticed, but many of us have, and it’s not pretty. It actually is creepy.

       
      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]

        September 12, 2013 at 2:34 pm

        Okay Cluster I know you don’t want to hear this but you are a rational person that I respect. I don’t recall ever hearing you say question authority during the Bush administration. I am and have been against striking Syria and I am in a very vocal majority at The Dis Brimstone Daily Pitchfork. Only Sarah Bloch seems to feel it is a necessity under International Law and I don’t know a Soul [literally] who is more in the Obama camp than I am. That said everything he does can’t be right because he’s Human.

        The media is decidedly liberal for the most part; in that you’re right. The question you need to ask is why. Fox is barely conservative at all it is simply pandering for profit and if anyone here can watch eight hours of Fox News without wincing, swearing or needing the aid of alcohol or pot in the states where that is legal, I’ll be glad to pay for a nice weekend in Vegas and the girls are on me. Conservative news makes conservatives look arcane at best and ignorant of the current American society at worst.

        I’m not saying that there are no conservative positions that I find pleasing. I’m pretty fond of reverse cowgirl personally.

        Keep up the good work guys Bardolf’s response up there really got me thinking. To quote Marshall McLuhan, “You blokes are my new muse.”

         
      • Cluster

        September 12, 2013 at 4:06 pm

        I don’t remember using those words specifically, but I was very vocal against some of his moves – particularly Harriet Myers and his immigration proposal.

        Thanks for giving us a plug on your site.

         
      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]

        September 12, 2013 at 4:18 pm

        Well Myers was a howler for sure. I often imagine that many conservative “pundits” went into their offices after hearing that announcement and said to themselves, “I can’t defend this.” My Obama moment for this was the drone strikes.

        Now worries we’ll keep plugging you as long as you stay true to the journalistic standard you’re setting now and don’t go all B4V on us!

         
      • mitchethekid

        September 12, 2013 at 4:42 pm

        We’ll never go B4V. Not only is it missing from our DNA, one of the purposes of this blog was to be an alternative. Debate without the hate. I’m either a poet or a rapper. Think I’ll side with the latter, they’re richer!

         
      • mitchethekid

        September 12, 2013 at 4:26 pm

        Harriet Myers. Instead of finding the most qualified person, he found the person closest to his office door.

         
      • mitchethekid

        September 12, 2013 at 4:28 pm

        “I’m not saying that there are no conservative positions that I find pleasing. I’m pretty fond of reverse cowgirl personally.”
        That’s hysterical. Good job!

         
    • rustybrown2012

      September 12, 2013 at 2:14 pm

      It’s also ironic that Cluster should should chide people for not questioning authority when he seemed to take umbrage at my suggestion that a congressman was being deceitful and partisan in the Benghazi thread.

       
  4. rustybrown2012

    September 12, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    Cluster, My words:

    “I agree with much of what you say about Syria; I think bombing would be ineffectual at best. The situation is extremely fucked and the only course I can see is to try to build some kind of multinational coalition – even then, I’m not sure what that would accomplish outside of a full scale invasion, occupation and restructuring similar to Iraq, and look at how well that turned out. Maybe some type of strong military border presence to help refugees escape? At least that might save some innocent lives. Whatever is done, America should not be the world’s policeman this time; I’m tired of that roll and we have our own entanglements and long-term problems to deal with. Where’s the UN?

    ..after which you said you agreed 100%

    Aside from that, there has been plenty of progressive disagreement with Obama. Of the top of my head: NSA spying program, frustration over the lack of prosecutions and meaningful reforms in the financial industry, overzealous whistleblower prosecution, drone program, gutting the public option from health care reform…

     
 
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