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I am a B4Ver, and this is my testimony

08 Sep

Hello. My name is Rico and I’m a B4Ver. My last comment was 12 days ago.

I became a B4Ver over 10 years ago. I managed occasional episodes of sobriety during that time, but I always went back. This time feels different though. I guess we’ll see.

I started commenting on B4V in early 2003, looking for a way to discuss the Iraq invasion. The way Bush went about it didn’t make sense to me, and I thought maybe they could provide the information I was missing. At first it was great. Lots of people were there with lots of different points of views.  I had many excellent discussions with all kinds of different people. I learned a lot, and not just about the Iraq invasion either. We talked about tax structures, about economic recovery, about the GINI index and the hollowing out of the middle class, about evolution, all kinds of things. It was very addictive.

Then, in late 2004, I had my first episode with sobriety. It wasn’t something I planned, it was enforced: I was banned. I don’t recall exactly why, but think it was because I said something that wasn’t totally positive about a Republican candidate. After about a month (which, “coincidentally”, was soon after Bush’s re-election) I decided to shoot Matt Margolis an email asking him what was up. According to him it was all just a big misunderstanding and I was reinstated.

There were a couple of additional enforced sobriety episodes in the ensuing years, but for some reason I kept going back. And then, in early 2009, I just left of my own accord. Cold turkey, as it were. I was gone for well over a year, but then I picked up the habit again. I am so ashamed.

I am especially ashamed because by then the site had changed. It was no longer a forum where one could express one’s opinion openly and get valid, reasoned replies. Well, I suppose you could if your opinion happened to be the officially sanctioned one. If not you were ridiculed continuously in the most unsavory manner. It was hard to get a fact in edgewise.

And it kept getting more ugly. Comments started getting deleted. Then they started disappearing altogether, like black outs, leaving just vague traces of memory. The weird thing was, whatever memories I had of them seemed pretty innocuous. But I was told they weren’t. Then the people that posted them started disappearing, too. Lots of them.  It got to the point where the place was emptying out faster than the corner bar at closing time. About the only ones left was a small coterie of true believers. And if you expressed an opinion that differed even a little from the approved dogma you were instantly harassed not by opposing facts but by epithets. You were marginalized, excoriated, and eventually exterminated. Yes, my latest attempt at sobriety is again an enforced one.

All I can say is, thank God. I was becoming a rabid animal, too comfortable with my baser instincts. Sarcasm had begun to slip off my tongue like drool. Condescension started coming as natural as puking. I was, in short, becoming one of them. Fortunately, I found this help site, AllPolytics Now, and it’s companion, Rebutting Blogs For Victory, to assist in my recovery.  It’s been like a breath of fresh air! I see many other B4Vers here, hoping like I to recover from the crusted up, stultified and petrified place B4V has become. It’s a veritable B4Ver’s Anonymous meeting that’s always in session!

The guys at AllPolytics Now have even been so kind as to allow me to post this testimonial (and maybe some other things in the future). And I’d like to use the opportunity to invite those that remain at B4V to check it out here.  Just remember… if it hasn’t killed you it’s never too late. Come to our meetings and see what you think. It might help you dry out and clear your head of the thought-stifling, insidious cancer that has become the norm over there. Especially considering the perspective you’re used to the elephants may be a little pinker here, but is that so bad? Perhaps a challenge or two might help you enjoy thinking again. Couldn’t hurt, might help, right? But just so you know, though you don’t have to be particularly clean, you do have to try to be sober and clear-headed. Try to come armed with facts and reasoned arguments, not a plethora of ad-hominem attacks and senseless, spiteful diatribe. The latter are just the illness talking. They are not appreciated here and may end up getting you kicked out. After all, this is a place to reform, not to rekindle that which is killing you.

Thank you for listening. Rico.

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35 responses to “I am a B4Ver, and this is my testimony

  1. kmg

    September 8, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Hi Rico,

    I’ll repost my testimony from when this site got started:

    I was a regular commenter on Blogs4Bush (now Blogs4Victory) back in the early days. I remember getting into long debates over various topics, including one of Mark’s favorites, evolution. The debates only degenerated into insults and vitriol when Jeremiah and fmrmarine (now neocon1) chimed in. Jeremiah’s bigotry against gays and interracial marriages were disgusting and fmrmarine is simply racist. He was kicked off the blog for his comments and linking to white supremacist cites, but after a short time out he returned as neocon1 posting the same racist comments. I lost a great deal of respect for the regular commenters when they refused to acknowledge that neocon1 was fmrmarine. A few things eventually drove me from Blogs4Victory:

    1. The tacit endorsement of Jeremiah and neocon1′s bigotry and racism. I believe this was Matt and Leo’s decision, because I don’t think Mark has the ability to delete comments or ban commenters. At least that’s what Mark has said in the past.

    2. The inability to have good-natured debates without it quickly becoming a flame war. Occasionally calling someone a name as a joke or just ribbing them is one thing, but entire comments doing nothing more than insulting another person is another. I readily admit that at times I was as guilty as anyone else when provoked. Amazona (formerly Almiranta) used to be able to debate somewhat rationally, but in the last couple of years she has become an extremely bitter woman who immediately attacks anyone, left or right, that dares to disagree with what she knows to be the only truth.

    3. The lack of integrity in enforcing comment policies. A number of times, Mark or Matt would put out a policy that insults and attacks would be deleted and commenters would be banned. This would only be enforced on liberal posters. Jeremiah and neocon1 would only have their comments deleted when they were just too far beyond the pale.

    Anyway, I’ll try to jump once more into the fray with the hope that this new joint venture will be a better place. I lean left and I honestly enjoy reasoned debates with people on the other side. Being retired Army, I am used to being surrounded by people with different opinions than mine, but it never got into the screaming matches that are the norm on Blogs4Victory. Let’s see how it goes here.

    I have not commented at B4V for a long time. In fact I think it’s been about 2 years or more. I am happy to say that I have not fell off the wagon once since I voluntarily left.

     
  2. mitchethekid

    September 8, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    We’re the Aldrin response. In 2002, as part of a shameless and rather obvious publicity stunt, conspiracy nutjob & fledgling stalker Bart Sibrel ambushed Buzz Aldrin (the second man to walk on the Moon) and publicly defamed him in front of a film crew, thrust a bible in his face and demanded that he swear on it that he really did walk on the moon. Then, as if that wasn’t bad enough, Sibrel called Aldrin a liar. The 72-year old’s response, 72! to this harassment? See for yourself…

     
  3. rustybrown2012

    September 8, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Thank you so much for your heartfelt testimonial Rico; I too am a recovering addict. Regarding bfv, I suspect in the end it will come down to a round robin of the hard-core tweekers (ama, noonan, tired) spewing paranoia in an endless loop. Who else is going to listen to them?

     
    • casper

      September 8, 2013 at 5:33 pm

      Rusty,
      Without libs to attack Amazona is having to attack other conservatives. It’s what she does.

       
      • mitchethekid

        September 8, 2013 at 5:36 pm

        It’s what she is.

         
      • rustybrown2012

        September 8, 2013 at 5:38 pm

        Casper,

        She really is a study, isn’t she? What the fuck is her problem anyway (sorry, I realize that question is more than one man or nation can answer)?

         
  4. casper

    September 8, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    I also joined B4B over 10 years ago. I joined just before the invasion of Iraq because I wanted to understand what the motivations were for starting the war. I had tried other sites, but found them either too big, too conservative, or too liberal. B4B seemed to fit me just right. I enjoyed the various debates and many of the opinions I hold today were developed after reading the comments of the other members. It was an exciting place to visit and even when I disagreed with someone, I respected his or her opinion and felt I was getting the same respect in return.
    After Obama’s first election things started to change. The comments got nastier and the same people who complained about the attacks on Bush begin attacking Obama months before he took office and disrespecting both him and the office of president in ways far worse than any attack on Bush.
    I also noticed a new pattern. A liberal blogger would find the site and begin to make comments. As soon as the new blogger begin to get the upper hand in a debate, neo, CSL, and the rest of the usual suspects would start attacking him or her personally. When the new blogger would retaliate, he or she would be banned for making personal attacks. I managed to stay on by not responding to the personal attacks. I refused to stoop to their level.
    About two and a half years ago CSL revealed that she knew who I was and suggested that my school board might be interested in her version of what she thinks I teach. At the time, she stated that she figured out who I was after running into a parent of a couple of my students while driving through Casper. Some of the details of her story didn’t add up, as while I’ve revealed way more about myself than I should have, there are some details I’ve left out. In retrospect, I guessing this was about the same time as she became a moderator. Because of her threats, I quit commenting on B4V for about a year.
    A year and a half ago I had a major change in my life. My wife has cancer. She has had three surgeries and is currently in the hospital recovering from her last one. The prognosis is good and I hope to have her around for a few more decades. My attitude has changed since I found out about the cancer. I refuse to let someone like CSL bully me. I started commenting again because I can and I want to. I’m still staying nice, but I know that sooner or later I’ll be banned.
    That said, I hope to contribute to this blog much more in the future. I hope that Cluster and Mitche continue to be open to all opinions. Our country needs ideas for both the right and the left.

     
    • mitchethekid

      September 8, 2013 at 6:00 pm

      Casper, we are open to all opinions and try our best not to be judgmental. I think in the 2 months we’ve been on line, we have proven that. I just wish we had more respondents. i.e folks who weren’t tainted with the bile of B4V and after taking a shower, came here to rant and rave. And share ideas, opinions, etc. With that said, I to had been commenting there since 2003. Before they went to WordPress, I had to change my alias numerous times because when I pointed out the obvious, or challenged any of them, I was banned. Basically they are cowards. They demand conformity. They cannot tolerate dissent and that, plus their nastiness is why they have 3 primary posters. All of whom can edit, moderate and create their own topics. And always about something negative. Misery loves company as the saying goes.
      Have you ever read anything that had to do with art or music or pop culture? Has anyone expressed any humor, other than in a sarcastic and demeaning way? Just to prove how smart they are by making fun of someone else? They even stoop so low as to mock someones on-line name. That’s a real sign of intelligence if you have the maturity of a 6 yr old. Heck, we post pictures! And have posts about Christian Swingers!
      BTW, you can call me Mitch. Or as some say, Mitch the Bitch. I have never backed down from a fight, I’m not one to be bullied and I can be as confrontational as needed.
      Those people are just plain mean, negative and nasty. I don’t know what their trip is, but rest assured they have no train to board here.

       
    • meursault1942

      September 9, 2013 at 1:47 pm

      “My wife has cancer. She has had three surgeries and is currently in the hospital recovering from her last one. The prognosis is good and I hope to have her around for a few more decades.”

      Yikes, scary stuff. Cancer is an evil, relentless bastard. I hope your wife’s treatment is a success and her recovery is short.

       
    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]

      September 10, 2013 at 5:37 pm

      I hope your wife recovers quickly and lives long and healthy. You’re a good egg Casper to have hung in that long. I was banned several times and I do understand it is because of Mark Noonan’s dislike of the nude human form whether engaged in sexual contact or shown as art. I know what we do over at The Daily Pitchfork isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but even using the word pitchfork there today will get your comment deleted or you banned.

      I do admit I am just as guilty as many of them for going overboard. Yes I called Amazona a horrible name and yes I did threaten to beat the crap out of Jeremiah, but I have learned my lesson about commenting on blogs. The Truth is more powerful than any feeling you will get from venting and knowing the weakness of your adversary just drags you into the muck in which they live.

      That said, the remaining B4V crowd is on their way into that great Oblivion that is caused when the people who once held their heads high and supported Bush now find themselves in a social and economic horrorshow of LGBTQ rights sweeping the nation and the US economy showing positive signs of grown outward to 2016. The conservative base is literally dying out from under them and they have no way back to get urban teens and 20s women to support their candidates because white conservative men over 50 know crap about what the dreams and desires of young women are because they were raised in the age of sex is for marriage. If that were the case you could only have sex after marriage. All the dominoes have fallen kids and now it’s time to set them up again. Nobody is going to want to hear about the pumas in 2016. Hillary will win and once Leo Pusateri bails from B4V in a fit of Catholic Conservative rage it will leave Mark Noonan, the wanna be Dominionist to dig the grave for a blog that now finds itself defending a shrinking minority ideals that was once America but can never be again.

      In closing, all of us here in hell at TDBDP are doing all we can to drive traffic to this site with the hope that jointly, our two blogs will be at the forefront of political discussion during the 2016 presidential campaign. Heck I’m even willing to go along with Cavalor’s idea to drop all nudity so that we can reach a more mainstream audience! When you come right down to it I don’t live in America but I care what happens to old country. Progressive ideas are on the march but it will only take one major screw up [see the potential down vote in Congress on Syria] to put the brakes on the whole train. The pendulum is swinging our way right now but anything could swing it back the other way. I want America to have a loyal opposition based on policy not based on the fear of white Christian Conservative people my age [I was born in 1948] in the flyover states that are simply angry that the first black president wasn’t some Bible thumpin idiot, but instead is a centrist Harvard educated constitutional lawyer who happens to be a Democrat.

      Keep up the good work folks.

      Pax Terra!

       
      • mitchethekid

        September 10, 2013 at 5:47 pm

        Thanks! As I said, I’ve added you guys to our blog roll. (Or is it role?) If I can make a suggestion, if you are going to change anything explain what the We Ourselves stuff is all about. As an outsider, I think it’s over most peoples heads. But I for one like the nudity. Those are some hot women with come hither looks. No pun intended.

         
      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]

        September 10, 2013 at 6:22 pm

        I think Pain can give a very detailed explanation of what It is and what It does. Personally, I’m not qualified to even begin to comment on artificial intelligence. As far as the babes go. I’ll keep them coming [pun intended] until I’m told to shift gears.

         
  5. mitchethekid

    September 8, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    None but themselves, probably pulling a Palin whining about how misunderstood they are, being victims (of their own making) and lashing out like a rabies infected, distempered animal.
    Speaking of animals, perhaps Amazona will use some of her favorite terms that describe animal behavior to dismiss us, as one of several blogs that have been motivated into existence as a reaction against their insufferable tone and attitude.

     
  6. casper

    September 8, 2013 at 5:48 pm

     
  7. Cluster

    September 8, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    Allow me to be Amazona’s advocate for a moment. I am acquainted a little with her background and she is an amazing lady; very accomplished, quite successful, and in a field usually dominated by men. She is also very passionate about politics and may attack more than some would like, but I also have to say that many of you have attacked her just as relentlessly.

    I will give her credit for standing her political ground whether you like that or not.

     
    • casper

      September 8, 2013 at 6:02 pm

      September 8, 2013 at 5:53 pm

      “Allow me to be Amazona’s advocate for a moment. I am acquainted a little with her background and she is an amazing lady; very accomplished, quite successful, and in a field usually dominated by men. She is also very passionate about politics and may attack more than some would like, but I also have to say that many of you have attacked her just as relentlessly.

      I will give her credit for standing her political ground whether you like that or not.”

      I know she is an accomplished and successful woman and I respect her for that. She can also be very vindictive and nasty. I wouldn’t have a problem with her if she kept her attacks to other people’s opinions or ideas, but she seems to feel she has to make it personal.

       
    • bardolf2

      September 8, 2013 at 6:27 pm

      Clueless

      I must have a different measure of successful than you do. But then by your own qualification “in a field usually dominated by men” you’ve sunk to the typical identity politics of the left. You’ve also been honest enough to see that she isn’t honest about politics but instead is “very passionate about politics”. She isn’t interested in a learning, she wants to win a battle and as Casper stated, she’ll do it by getting personal if necessary. Her success is all premised on having been married and/or having inherited starter capital, there is no big accomplishment which can be traced back to her hard work alone. She is the Hillary Clinton of B4V, except she hasn’t challenged herself academically since high school.

      Your final damning praise “I will give her credit for standing her political ground whether you like that or not.” is stuff for comedians. “I’ll give her credit, what she believes on Tuesday is the same thing she will believed on Sunday. NO matter what happened on Monday.”

       
      • Cluster

        September 9, 2013 at 4:31 am

        Well first of all, ranching is a field dominated by men, and that is NOT indentity politics. That’s just fact. Secondly, Amazona is about political principles, primarily strict constitutional governance, to a point where even she and I disagreed, but she stands her ground on that – again, whether you like that or not.

         
      • bardolf2

        September 9, 2013 at 12:46 pm

        It is identity politics to say X is successful in field Y dominated by group Z. Either X is successful in field Y or not. Larry Bird was an extremely talented basketball player. To say Larry was extremely talented for a Caucasian is to imply he shouldn’t be measured against the overall standard.

        Amazona is about political principles in THEORY. When ranchers need governmental lands to make do that isn’t welfare. That’s what is good for the country. Just like when real estate agents need people to have a mortgage deduction on their taxes. That’s not propping up a bubble, nope. Just like ethanol supports for corn farmers, that’s not welfare, nope. When DOD spending comes into play, trillion dollar aircraft are in the constitution, when the Post Office doesn’t turn a profit is should be privatized. But the F-35 isn’t in the constitution and the Post Office is in the constitution.

        Again, can you tell me something she accomplished which wasn’t based on using capital from either her husband or father?

         
      • Cluster

        September 9, 2013 at 1:42 pm

        Well first of all, gender is a hell of a lot different than race. So your Larry Bird analogy is really bad. Secondly, many people have pissed away inheritances, so to assume that Amazona is successful only because of what was left behind is borderline sexist. Besides, how do you know she wasn’t the brains behind her husbands success? Again, that just smacks of sexism.

         
      • bardolf2

        September 9, 2013 at 4:10 pm

        Excuse me, but I am not going to shower extra attention on female firefighters or soldiers or whatever just because they are doing traditional male jobs. It is sexist to do so.

        Maybe Hillary Clinton is the brains behind Bill Clinton too! IMO,there is a difference between hitting a triple vs. being born on 2nd base and making it to 3rd base.

        How about things one can accomplish completely on their own, does she know a foreign language, can she play a musical instrument, does she have a reasonable knowledge of science, is she well read, know anything substantial about her own religion … no, no, no, no and no …

        I’m underwhelmed by ‘hard’ working people who can maintain wealth that they have been handed. Bush, Gore, Kennedy, Dean, Al Frankin not impressed. The fact that they aren’t Joe Biden’s ancestors blowing through inheritance is not interesting.

         
      • Cluster

        September 9, 2013 at 5:36 pm

        My point is that you are making huge assumptions and judging her on those assumptions. Not cool.

         
      • meursault1942

        September 9, 2013 at 4:20 pm

        “She is the Hillary Clinton of B4V, except she hasn’t challenged herself academically since high school.”

        Ha! Mere words cannot capture how pissed off she would be to be compared to Hillary Clinton.

         
      • casper

        September 9, 2013 at 5:26 pm

        Cluster,
        My daughter spent 8 years in the army and was deployed to Iraq twice. She is currently an electrician. She also has very strong political beliefs and isn’t afraid to share them. The difference is she listens to other people’s ideas and doesn’t attack them for disagreeing with her.
        I’m sure Amazona is charming around others who agree with her, but is extremely nasty to everyone else. It seems she has to have someone to attack to make herself look good. Sad to be her.

         
      • Cluster

        September 9, 2013 at 5:38 pm

        Have you read Rusty’s comments? She’s not alone.

         
      • rustybrown2012

        September 9, 2013 at 6:07 pm

        Cluster,

        I could say the same thing about you, sport. Project much?

         
    • rustybrown2012

      September 8, 2013 at 6:46 pm

      Sorry, from all that I know of ama, which is limited to her postings and my discourse with her, she is a loathsome human being. I have no idea about her personal life or success aside from what I’ve gleaned from exchanges, but I can make an educated judgment on how she treats other people, particularly people who’s views differ from her own, and it ain’t pretty. She is clearly suffering from a serious personality disorder and immune to logical argument. She is incapable of measuring an opposing opinion which doesn’t fit her worldview and routinely vilifies and demeans even the most innocuous dissent.

      Mark is another one I think is on the edge. His postings increasingly smack of a self-righteous persecution complex and his thinking is alarmingly disordered. I don’t envision a calm future for either one of these peculiar individuals.

       
      • GMB

        September 9, 2013 at 3:37 am

        “Mark is another one I think is on the edge. His postings increasingly smack of a self-righteous persecution complex and his thinking is alarmingly disordered. I don’t envision a calm future for either one of these peculiar individuals”

        What can I say? Except express total agreement. Before long that blog will be down to four people echoing each other.

        Or eating each other alive.

         
  8. GMB

    September 9, 2013 at 3:17 am

    I first started reading B4B while I was in Iraq. At that time I had a lot more more on my mind than commenting. I didn’t post my first comment there until October of 2009. I had seen people come and go and seen a few return for a while then just leave again.

    You could tell the end was near when B4V left it’s own domain and transferred over to wordpress. Then Mark left and others took over the main posting duty.

    That’s when the Infection set in. That’s when the tone changed. Unfortunately, the infection set into me too. Fortunately, for me at least, the doctor had arrived.

    A couple of months ago a trackback to RebuttingB4V disappeared. I don’t know why but that angered me. What was the harm?

    The harm was disagreeing with ama on anything. No opinion other than hers was allowed. Period.

    She might be accomplished in her field but her online persona has been nothing but increased bitchiness over that last year or so. Her insults and animal behavior refernces are do her no good.

    She needs to come to Jesus. Fast.

    All Politics Now and Rebutting B4V are the places to be.

    I don’t agree with a lot of you on much but at least here I can disagree with a lot of agreeable people.

    Rico, for some reason, after I read your post, my first thought was, Amen!

     
  9. GMB

    September 9, 2013 at 3:33 am

    “It got to the point where the place was emptying out faster than the corner bar at closing time.”

    My favorite bar while I was stationed in Augsburg was a place called the Last Chance. At closing time the owner, Sepp, had to threaten us with bodily harm to us to leave.

    🙂

     
    • casper

      September 9, 2013 at 6:17 pm

      GMB,
      My daughter was stationed in Germany when she wasn’t deployed to Kosavo or Iraq. She loved it and I’m sorry we only had one chance to visit her there.

       
  10. Cluster

    September 9, 2013 at 4:55 am

    I have to admit that Rico’s letter re: B4V written in the context of an AA confession is hilarious, and poignant as well, so well done. As a contributor to B4V I can tell you that a while back there was some discussion among the core of regulars to limit the blog to strictly conservative/libertarian comments, and completely shed themselves of anything that smacked of progressive or liberal thinking. That is their right I suppose, as many liberal blogs are not accepting of anything that smacks of conservatism as well, but in my opinion that direction was not going to be very conducive to any type of robust debate.

    I enjoy debating those who have other opinions. First of all, I consider it to be a fun distraction from the stress of daily life, and additionally, I do learn from it. I also don’t believe that there is any reason why it has to get personal, we do have more in common than we think, and life is too short to get all bent out of shape over ideological issues. It’s real easy to agree to disagree, although I too have been guilty of getting a little hot under the collar from time to time for which I am seeking help.

    Mitch reached out to me because of his frustration with B4V, and I am glad he did. We decided to become partners in crime and open up a forum for people of all political stripes to engage in debate in a civil and fun manner. But I do have to give Mitch all the credit because it was his idea, I just came along for the ride. So far, so good I believe, so tell everyone you know who likes to talk politics, and lets keep this party going.

     
    • casper

      September 9, 2013 at 5:29 am

      Cluster,
      IMO, what makes this country great is our diversity. Our country is made up of people from all over the world. We share ideas. We need each other and when we stop listening to each other we are making our country weaker. I’m glad you and Mitch started this blog.

      Rico,
      Great post. I’ve always enjoyed your comments and giving you a thread of your own is a super idea. I hope to see more of them.

       
    • meursault1942

      September 9, 2013 at 2:03 pm

      “there was some discussion among the core of regulars to limit the blog to strictly conservative/libertarian comments, and completely shed themselves of anything that smacked of progressive or liberal thinking. That is their right I suppose, as many liberal blogs are not accepting of anything that smacks of conservatism as well, but in my opinion that direction was not going to be very conducive to any type of robust debate.”

      Yeah, it’s their right, but I agree with you that it’s a foolish thing to do. Enforcing a blog orthodoxy like that makes it boring in a hurry, which then drives it to what we’re starting to see now at B4V: it becomes a “more conservative than thou” competition. OK, so they purged the place of any liberal dissent. Well, now who are they going to debate with? If it’s each other, then somebody’s going to be cast in the role of “liberal” even if they aren’t liberal at all. It’s the logic of “if my position is the conservative one and you disagree with me, then you aren’t conservative, and if you aren’t conservative, then you must be liberal!” Amazona is doing that already. She simply has to have somebody to yell at; now that she’s banned all liberals, she’s focused her abuse on neocon. If he ever leaves the blog, she’ll focus it on somebody else (my bet is tired will be her new whipping boy).

      “I enjoy debating those who have other opinions. First of all, I consider it to be a fun distraction from the stress of daily life, and additionally, I do learn from it. I also don’t believe that there is any reason why it has to get personal, we do have more in common than we think, and life is too short to get all bent out of shape over ideological issues. It’s real easy to agree to disagree”

      I fully agree with this, too. Diversity of opinion is how we learn and how we come to appreciate other points of view. It’s how we find where our opinions overlap, where they diverge, and where mutually agreeable solutions might lie. It’s been pretty cool thus far to get that from this blog.

      I don’t even mind a bit of ball-busting, either, as it is the lingua franca of political blogs. I just don’t like it when the actual topic being debated gets dropped and it just turns into “Fuck you!” “No, fuck you!

       
  11. ricorun

    September 9, 2013 at 6:50 am

    I feel everyone’s pain, and I think it’s good to let it out. Lance that festering boil so we can all heal and move on. My primary intent in writing the post was to be funny, but I do rather think of B4V (what it is now) as an incubator of disease, and everyone that came in contact with it as infected with anger. And I can’t imagine the remaining true believers are any different in that regard. Except for Neo perhaps, none the people still there started out spewing the kind of vitriol they do now. So I thought it would be nice to invite those that want to comment here to do so — so long as they’re civil about it. I do think it might help them to clear their heads. Couldn’t hurt, might help.

    Anyway, y’all had to suffer through the very first blog post I ever wrote, and I’m sorry about that. Everyone seems to be pulling through okay though, lol!

     
 
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