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Give Louisiana back to the French. Or rename it dumb, pathetic and just plain stupid.

23 Aug

This is just another reason that I think the Republican party is at an evolutionary dead end. Or at a minimum, withering into insignificance and isolated in the south. When the base of a party consists of  morons, encephalitic idiots and plain ole abject lunatics, this is a result. Keep in mind this is a party who elected congress members whose sole purpose is to inject chaos into the governing process. These are the same people who scream at the top of their lungs that Obama is destroying America! That they’re going to take the country back! Back from what remains to be determined but it sure is a swell slogan. One would think that after losing 4 of the past 6 elections and reading the “post mortem” the RNC published recently they’d wise up. Ah, my overly optimistic expectations are dashed once again against the jagged and cruel rocks of reality. A reality that these idiots have absolutely no awareness of. This is beyond sad and pathetic. These people shouldn’t be allowed to drive, let alone vote. I’ll bet it takes them an hour and a half to watch 60 Minutes.

A significant chunk of Louisiana Republicans evidently believe that President Barack Obama is to blame for the poor response to the hurricane that ravaged their state more than three years before he took office.

The latest survey  showed an eye-popping divide among Republicans in the Bayou State when it comes to accountability for the government’s post-Katrina blunders.

Twenty-eight percent said they think former President George W. Bush, who was in office at the time, was more responsible for the poor federal response while 29 percent said Obama, who was still a freshman U.S. Senator when the storm battered the Gulf Coast in 2005, was more responsible. Nearly half of Louisiana Republicans — 44 percent — said they aren’t sure who to blame.

Bush was criticized heavily when he did not immediately return to Washington from his vacation in Texas after the storm had reached landfall. The government was also slow to provide relief aid and Michael Brown, then-director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), admitted in a televised interview that he learned that many of the storm’s victims at the New Orleans Convention Center were without food and water well after the situation had been reported in the press.

Brown’s handling of the response ultimately led to his resignation, but Bush offered an infamous endorsement of the FEMA chief only days before he stepped down.

“Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job,” Bush said.                       stupid1

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76 responses to “Give Louisiana back to the French. Or rename it dumb, pathetic and just plain stupid.

  1. Cluster

    August 23, 2013 at 4:52 am

    Well Mitch, I am not sure what you’re talking about. Was their poll taken on who to blame for Katrina? If that was the case, I would start by blaming the hurricane itself, I would then start at the bottom of the ladder where local leadership is the primary governing body and that would begin with “chocolate city” mayor Ray Nagin, and then go to ultra liberal then governor Kathleen Blanco. I don’t ever remember Bush being elected in any state leadership role. I also think you might want to consider the lasting effects of Hurricane Sandy and FEMA’s feckless response there when considering your criticism of Katrina.

    I don’t remember anyone blaming Obama for that. But then again, Obama doesn’t get blamed for anything – that would be racist.

    And I do object slightly to this characterization:

    ….the base of a party consists of morons, encephalitic idiots and plain ole abject lunatics

    I am only a moron and a lunatic, not a encephalitic idiot.

     
    • meursault1942

      August 23, 2013 at 12:59 pm

      “I am only a moron and a lunatic, not a encephalitic idiot.”

      Ha! Reminds me of a classic joke:

      Birchibald T. Barlow: “You know, there are three things we are never going to get rid of here in Springfield. One: the bats in the public library. Two: Mrs. McFierly’s compost heap. And three: our six-term mayor, the illiterate, tax-cheating, wife-swapping, pot-smoking spend-o-crat Diamond Joe Quimby.”
      Mayor Quimby: [listening to the radio, while watering his marijuana plants] “Hey! I am no longer illiterate.”

       
  2. GMB

    August 23, 2013 at 5:05 am

    I thought is was a no no to criticize the President for taking vacations or playing golf?

    Doh!!

    I forgot. It is only a no no to criticize a proggy President.

    Never mind.

     
  3. mitchethekid

    August 23, 2013 at 5:23 am

    The point is; according to the poll, that most Republicans in Louisiana blame Obama for the governments poor response to the “weather event”. An “event” which took place 3 yrs before he was elected President. As far as the governments response to Sandy, there is no comparison. If you recall, one of the reasons Romney whined that he lost was because of Sandy. Not so much the storm itself ( a message from god to Romney) but the immediate reaction time to send in help and aid. Obama took this storm seriously. Bush had to have a DVD of the people in the stadium shoved under his door.
    And it’s true. You do not suffer from encephalitis. I was being figurative. You know I excluded you from my characterizations of “those people”.

     
  4. GMB

    August 23, 2013 at 5:41 am

    Well, well, well. What my friend Mitch forgot to mention was that 45% of the respondents in this poll were donkrats!!! Self identified republicans were only 36% of the sample for this poll. You should know better than this.

    Scroll down to question 24.

    Kind of puts the dent into that rant doesn’t it?

     
  5. GMB

    August 23, 2013 at 7:08 am

    Ok I had the wrong poll. Thats what I get for following a huffnpuffpo link.

    78 people probably said that just to get a laugh. &8 people make you want to give a State back to the frogs? Maybe you can ship the 9/11 truthers off with them?

     
    • kmg

      August 23, 2013 at 7:10 am

      I can agree with shipping the Truthers off. We can send the Birthers with them.

       
      • mitchethekid

        August 23, 2013 at 2:02 pm

        Orly Taitz and Neo. What a team.

         
  6. mitchethekid

    August 23, 2013 at 7:16 am

    Sure things get dented, but then there is always paintless dent removal! Sure the poll was conducted by a Democratic leaning firm. So what? That doesn’t necessarily mean that there is inherent bias. If only one person thought that the Obama administration was to blame that’s one to many. BTW, Obama will speaking in my home town today! Binghamton NY. Not to many national political leaders have ever visited. One was the former Governor. I still have the original newspaper photo.
    http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/U1879760/nelson-rockefeller-flips-off-hecklers

     
    • GMB

      August 23, 2013 at 7:41 am

      Rockefeller? You know what rockefeller meant to a twelve year old farm boy?

      Weniger als nichts!

      Time for family.

      Yak at ya all Monday. Hope the world doesn’t end before then.

       
    • Cluster

      August 23, 2013 at 8:56 am

      Sure the poll was conducted by a Democratic leaning firm. So what? That doesn’t necessarily mean that there is inherent bias.

      Let’s try and hold the same standard for Fox.

       
      • ricorun

        August 26, 2013 at 12:19 pm

        Fox is not a polling firm. I believe Fox’s favorite polling firm is Rasmussen. How do you feel about Rasmussen? Does it matter to you if they’re accurate or not? Here’s a study…
        http://www.fordham.edu/Campus_Resources/eNewsroom/topstories_2590.asp

        Yes, let’s do hold the same standard for Fox. And thank you for insisting on that. On any number of levels, that would be great!

         
  7. mitchethekid

    August 23, 2013 at 11:28 am

    We can’t apply the same standard because not only does Fox make things up, they are dishonest about it. Fair and balanced my ass. Their slogan should be We deceive You believe. But, to their credit they were going to produce the Hillary epic, until Preibus had his little hissy fit. Another example of the lack of forethought emanating from the right. BANG! Halt or I’ll shoot.

     
  8. casper

    August 23, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    I know this is off topic but this is just a comment I’ve been wanting to make for some time.

    I feel sorry for Mark Noonan. The poor guy seems to feel it is his duty to get up every morning and find something to be pissed about. It’s not that hard either. With the right wing media constantly looking for negative stories, it’s easy for him to find something to be outraged about. Look at his last 4 posts on B4V.

    ObamaCare Train Wreck Update
    Secession is the Answer
    Welfare Must End
    America’s Shame

    Each one is extremely negative. You would think he lives in the worst country in the world and that everything is falling apart. Is there nothing good happening in the world?

    Sucks to be him.

    That said, I’m happy with the tone on this and the other blog. People are disagreeing without getting nasty. No one has been asked to explain his political Philosophy all week. Life is good. It would be nice though to maybe have a weekly positive thread. There are some interesting people on this blog. What do we have in common rather than what divides us?

     
    • sarahbloch

      August 24, 2013 at 6:54 am

      That said, I’m happy with the tone on this and the other blog. People are disagreeing without getting nasty. No one has been asked to explain his political Philosophy all week. Life is good. It would be nice though to maybe have a weekly positive thread. There are some interesting people on this blog. What do we have in common rather than what divides us?

      I like that and I would love to contribute to a positive thread each week. I think I can even keep my clothes on and do that at the same time. 😉

       
      • mitchethekid

        August 24, 2013 at 6:58 am

        Thanks Sarah. But feel free to disrobe and write at the same time. Wouldn’t want to incumber the creative process. 🙂

         
      • sarahbloch

        August 24, 2013 at 7:23 am

        Then I will write all my comments here from now on wearing just my bunny slippers.

         
    • meursault1942

      August 24, 2013 at 10:15 am

      “What do we have in common rather than what divides us?”

      Well, I think we all agree that Hawaii is great.

      There was a bit of grilling/bbq talk a little while back, and there’s always room for more, as far as I’m concerned.

      I’m curious if anybody here is a fisherman/woman. I was in my younger days, but I haven’t been in a good 20 years. I’ve been looking to get back into it of late, though–dug out both my old spinning gear and my fly gear, and I’ve been re-learning how to fly cast. It’s a lot of fun, and it’s very relaxing.

       
  9. mitchethekid

    August 23, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    Well Casper, let me elaborate on your thoughts. First off, I have been reading your posts on B4V since it was B4B. I take it your on-line name (handle as they called it during the CB radio craze) is a reference to the city in which you live. I agree 100% about Noonan being negative and intentionally seeks out negativity. Being an accomplished amateur psychologist, I will offer my observations about him. I have said the exact thing numerous times, to many to remember. He has an inflated sense of self that is a compensation for wanting to be recognized as some sort of an “expert intellectual” in areas that he knows nothing about, he makes broad and grandiose assumptions and pitches them to an audience that knows even less than he does and furthermore: they are easily impressed.
    His personality characteristics parallel the classic cult leader. Sadly for him, and fortunately for the blogosphere, he has a very insignificant following. The 3 or 4 of them merely reinforce each others sense of superiority and exponentially increase the crazy when they attempt to one up each other. Just look at this Amazona person. In my entire life, I have never come across someone who is so miserable, so smug, dismissive and condescending. Her self-loathing and narcissism motivates her to despise everyone. It’s like an uncontrolable impulse. A tick. I cannot get over the fact that she constantly uses terms that describe animal behavior and applies them to people as a pejorative. She certainly must have a low opinion of the animals on her farm. I have yet,in all these yrs see her say anything nice about anyone. Except when she echos birtherism or racism or raises a skeptical eyebrow about decided upon empirical facts. Clouds don’t move, the earth does…
    But back to Noonan. He has a binary mind. He’s a transistor, either on or off, black or white and I think that because he has an addictive personality as well, that he has substituted one life addiction (on line porn) for some fantasized, cobbled together version of Christianity. Noonanism. Twisted like a contortionist to be the basis of his view of life, politics, social changes. He simply finds the conflict he has with reality intolerable because it doesn’t comply with the religious faith based utopian vision he has of how things should be.
    As I said, he is incapable of accepting reality.To him it’s a conspiracy. He’s like a 2 yr old having a tantrum. Complete with feet stamping, sound effects and hair and eyelash pulling. Next thing you know he will become a cutter.
    No greater example of this is the wholesale deletion of any post on their blog that refutes what they trying to convince themselves of, not to mention the other few respondents whom they allow; out of self reverential benefit and mercy, to echo the same. He has become increasingly morose. He uses a selective interpretation of the Bible as his blueprint for society and politics. And not in a studied, well understood metaphorical way, but rather one of absolutes. Yet he decries radical fundamentalism in other religions. In short, he is a sad, childless and lonely person. At times he reminds me of W.C. Fields playing a carnival barker.
    He envisions himself as a martyr, hanging himself in effigy in order to obtain a masochistic high. It’s pathetic how he dictates to the world. “We” should do this and “we” should do that, yet never actually acting on it. Making grand pronouncements on everything from the purpose of marriage is to have children, to pontificating on revisionist history to referring to non existent on their blog liberals as “ours”. You are correct, it’s all doom and gloom and not the Rolling Stones tune.
    There is nothing we (as a collective, hahaha) can do to to eliminate the abject depressive Teaparty lunacy that is the pride and joy of B4V. But I will say that that one of the reasons Cluster and I joined forces was to prove each other wrong. In a good way! Both of us (and apparently more) were as sick of their attitude as you are. It’s ironic that Noonan, as a student of history allows your profession to be mocked and derided. As you said, we have more in common than not and it makes me feel good to know that you feel comfortable responding here. As I know it does my friend and partner Cluster as well. We both wanted to escape the tornado of B4V and thus far we have received nothing but positive comments about our intent and our tone. Like I said before, this is a party. Complete with smoke, drinks, jumping into the pool fully clothed, loud music, naked women with big giant titties, topical humor, great conversation and no worry about the cops showing up. We own the house, the mountain top property and the police force.
    So next time you respond to Noonan, tell him your invulnerable to his negative bullshit. On second thought, why even bother? B4V is withering. It’s atrophied. It’s dead. And there are more than 150 Reasons Why.

     
    • sarahbloch

      August 24, 2013 at 7:24 am

      Collective! Too funny!

       
      • mitchethekid

        August 24, 2013 at 7:54 am

        Thought you’d like it. 🙂

         
    • mitchethekid

      August 24, 2013 at 7:54 am

      You are a far better writer than I Sarah. Now I’m having a sad. 😦
      As far as your topic, gay marriage was never within my realm of awareness. This may be a statement of the obvious since it didn’t become an issue for national debate until the recent past, but many yrs ago I deduced that since all eggs are female and it’s the male chromosome that determines the sex of the fetus, then it follows that the CNS of gay men must be female. (Not so sure about same sex attracted women, but whatever.) My deduction was verified for a few months later (I think it was in 1974) Playboy ran a series of articles on human sexuality and they said the same thing. I immediately called Hugh Heffner and told him he stole my thoughts.
      I know that same sex marriage doesn’t effect opposite sex marriage one iota. Those that claim it does are pious, moralizing and demand the the round peg of the world conform to their square hole in it.
      I will also tell you that I have a very strong aversion to same sex attraction, but I learned not to be judgmental about it after an experience I had during the disco days. (Disco, what were we thinking?!) There was an after hours dance club in the town I grew up in that had a very hip reputation. Ironically, it was owned by a fireman who looked like Jack Palance. But it also had a reputation for being a gathering spot for gay people. For months I refused to go until one night my girlfriend insisted and so I went. I had a blast. It was an artsy crowd and being an unquestioningly hetero male with a voracious sex drive I got off on the fact that the guys that were hitting on my girlfriend weren’t hitting on her for her, but rather for me. I thought of it as my gay ego trip. Even though my subjective sensitivity to the imagery of gay sex is one of flight, my attitude about stereotyping and passing judgement on others changed. Love is an entity unto itself. In a way, it’s sexless but expressed through sex. Same sex attraction is not a conscious decision. It’s a matter of birth and since I’m not one much for marriage anyway, the entire issue to me is moot. The late Sam Kinison said it best but since this is a family values blog, I dare not repeat it!
      Anyway, looking forward too your continued contributions here. Thanks again.

       
      • ricorun

        August 24, 2013 at 8:03 pm

        mitchie: I immediately called Hugh Heffner and told him he stole my thoughts.

        You give Hugh too much credit. 🙂

        Yeah, I know you knew they weren’t really Hugh’s thoughts. Be that as it may, as a bonafide, card-carrying member of the neuroscience community (:-), I suggest your deduction about the genetics and/or anatomy associated with sexual preference is far too simple. There is no one single gene, or even a cluster of genes on one single chromosome, that can explain everything, or anywhere close. In fact, very little is known about the specific genetics of gender preference. The biology of gender preference is better understood perhaps, but nowhere near good enough to imply any sort of certainty, or even reasonable probability.

        On the other hand, the raw statistics are pretty compelling. And they become ever more compelling as more and more serious efforts continue to fail to demonstrate that gender preference is predominantly learned. Then again, that failure could just be evidence of yet one more facet of the Incredibly Vast Left Wing Conspiracy. After all, conservatives have put in a lot of very “hard werk” in recent years replacing ideological thought with actual reason, so it should surprise no one (especially those peering from the conservative perspective) that truth has come to have what is perceived to be a liberal bias.

         
      • mitchethekid

        August 25, 2013 at 5:10 am

        Agreed. I can be simple. It’s easier. But I was also in my early 20’s.

         
      • ricorun

        August 24, 2013 at 8:07 pm

        Oh dear, I said, “After all, conservatives have put in a lot of very “hard werk” in recent years replacing ideological thought with actual reason, when I meant exactly the opposite!

        I hate when I do that. Sorry.

         
  10. Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]

    August 24, 2013 at 10:03 am

    When the blog I work for started Katrina was a really big hurricane in the Gulf, The Boss, Cavalor, asked me a very simple question two days before landfall, “Considering how many people in the lowest lying areas of New Orleans are elderly, disable or poor wouldn’t it be prudent to evacuate those citizens immediately?” My response was one of the lowest points of my journalism career. I said, “I’m sure FEMA is working on that right now.” And this was the problem. FEMA failed. The City government of New Orleans failed and the State of Louisiana failed. It was a failurefuck. Everyone knew that the poorest and the least capable in that city had no way out and since the people who run the city had the means to get their loved ones out to Houston and elsewhere nobody cared. To me Katrina was a bigger disaster and a greater black eye to the concept of “American exceptionalism” than the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

     
    • GMB

      August 24, 2013 at 11:23 am

      Well finally, someone who doesn’t give 100% of the blame to President Bush.

      Exceptionalism. You have to have a certain belief in your own. An exceptional person doesn’t wait for the order to come down from on high. An exceptional person does what he/she thinks needs done, when it needs to be done.

      Why didn’t President Bush get on the phone to Governor of Louisiana when he knew the hurricane was going to hit. The same question needs to be asked of the Governor. Why didn’t Mayor Nagin use every resorce available to get people out?

      Why did everyone wait for everyone else to jump before they did.Afraid to make a decision? Afraid of the consequences? Afraid of what?

      None of the politicians exhibited any exceptional behavior in this disaster.

      A young man, I do believe he was 15 years old. He took a school bus without any permission, loaded his family and as many other people as he could onto that bus and without any experience driving that kind of vehicle got it to Houston two days before the levees collapsed.

      What an exceptional young man. American exceptionalism exists. It exists in those that do what is right, even though somebody else thinks it is wrong.

       
      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]

        August 24, 2013 at 11:32 am

        GMB after the hurricane hit and we all saw the death and devastation we had a tabletop exercise of what would have happened if the same hurricane had hit Long Island. The result of the exercise was that over 95% of the people on Long Island had the means to evacuate and stay long term elsewhere. In New Orleans that number was determined to be 45%. The people in power The President The Governor and the Mayor acted as if all the residents of the poorest sections of New Orleans had the means by which to evacuate when they all needed help and were asking for it. While Brown took the blame it was a colossal failure on the part of federal state and local government, especially the locals who knew government assistance checks were coming in a few days and most of these people were literally broke days before Katrina hit.

         
      • ricorun

        August 24, 2013 at 5:37 pm

        Cluster: Class wealth is fluid Fred, many poor become middle class; many middle class become rich, and some rich become poor.

        If, Cluster, you’re saying that we should try to keep that fluidity as dynamic as possible, then I wholeheartedly agree. How far you get in life should be a function of what you know far more than who you know (or, even worse, who you’re related to), right? That’s what I think. In pursuit of that goal I wholeheartedly champion a stiff inheritance tax (or “death tax” as it is called in some quarters). Resting on one father’s/mother’s laurels always seemed to me contrathetical to the American ideal. Not only that but it’s generally bad for business and rarely good. So it seems to me that it’s an issue on which conservatives (and certainly Republicans more generally) should agree both ideologically and practically. But they don’t. That strikes me as so weird. Maybe even dishonest. If you really want a meritocracy, then you should be willing to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.

         
  11. GMB

    August 24, 2013 at 11:40 am

    ” especially the locals who knew government assistance checks were coming in a few days and most of these people were literally broke days before Katrina hit.

    The individual also has to bear some responsibility here. Do I sit and risk losing it all because I have a check coming? Or do I get out and cash that check when I get it. If a person sits around and does nothing but put the blame on others, well, you be the judge.

    When I said this one size fits all system must end, I meant it.

    Waiting around for somebody else to make your life better has got to end to too. Not only will catching your own fishys and baking your own pies feed you, it will make you feel better about yourself.

     
    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]

      August 24, 2013 at 12:05 pm

      My point is that the people who were waiting on checks had no money to get out of New Orleans. The deeper point is that middle class people have little understanding of the struggles of the poor. America is a nation grounded in your need to pay to play. In this case that need killed scores of Human Beings.

       
      • GMB

        August 24, 2013 at 12:26 pm

        How much money does it take to put one foot in front of the other? How much money does it take to knock on the door of a church, a food pantry, or even someones home to ask for help?

        People that have breakdowns do it all the time out in the boonies where I live. Do I turn them away? Of course not.

        Being poor allows you to blame someone else because something bad happened to you? Because somebody doesn’t understand what it is like to be poor, that allows me to assign blame to them for of my misfortune?

        My Grandfather and my Father taught me how to hunt and how to catch fish. My Grandmother and my mother taught me how to cook, sew, clean properly the home
        All of them together taught me how to grow food in the poorest of soil.

        None of them would even qualify to middle class status. Middle lower class maybe but none of them were rich.

        Not once in my life did I ever hear them complain about someone else being the fault of their misfortune.

        Maybe kids in the public schools could be taught these skills instead of political correct garbage?

        America is not grounded in the need of pay to play. People have been taught that they have to pay to play.

        Take all my possessions, take my money, take my farm away. Give me my family. One way or another, without breaking God’s laws, I will find a way to feed them, clothe them, and house them.

        Because that is what I have been taught my whole life is my responsibility. Not some satan damned politicians

        As far as that poll. Go ahead, give Louisiana back to the frogs. WTF cares?

         
      • mitchethekid

        August 24, 2013 at 12:45 pm

        Not for me, but frog legs are considered a delicacy. I won’t eat them because in many ways, food is cultural. I won’t eat bugs nor beets either. But I love mussels, clams, crabs, shrimp. Snails to. Think I’ll whip up some Cioppino. Have an angle hair I can borrow?

         
      • sarahbloch

        August 24, 2013 at 1:37 pm

        I think the point that Fred was trying to make was that all level of government were insensitive to the plight of those who could not help themselves. I hope you aren’t implying the poor should have shambled out of NOLA two days before a major hurricane.

         
      • Cluster

        August 24, 2013 at 5:07 pm

        The deeper point is that middle class people have little understanding of the struggles of the poor.

        That’s not true at all. Many of the middle class were poor at some point. Hell I lived in a van for about 6 months until I could save enough money for a deposit on an apartment. After my second child was born, my little business venture was not going well and lets just say we learned how to love macaroni and cheese.

        Class wealth is fluid Fred, many poor become middle class; many middle class become rich, and some rich become poor. But hat being said, I have really grown tired of whiny people. Liberals somehow think that they know everything and are the only people who “truly” understand. It’s absolute bullshit.

         
      • Cluster

        August 24, 2013 at 5:36 pm

        I hope you aren’t implying the poor should have shambled out of NOLA two days before a major hurricane.

        They actually had 5 days warning and I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but I can assure you, I would have gotten my ass out of there regardless of how much money I had. I wouldn’t have waited for some government supplied transportation.

        Here’s a little tip – if you rely on government, you will always be disappointed.

         
      • GMB

        August 24, 2013 at 9:04 pm

        ” I hope you aren’t implying the poor should have shambled out of NOLA two days before a major hurricane.”

        As opposed to staying put and maybe getting killed in the hurricane and the aftermath? You are going to wait for some bean counter like harricourts to save you?

        Personal responsibility is being bred out of people. It makes it easier for the government to control them.

        No need to worry about anything cradle to grave. We will take care of you.

        Riiiiiigggghhhhhttttt.

         
  12. mitchethekid

    August 24, 2013 at 11:54 am

    All good commentary. Fredrick’s points well taken as well as my new Goombah GMB. GMB, you are correct. Those exceptional acts are those of a leader. Someone who accesses a situation, makes decisions and takes control and action for the betterment of all involved. Not waiting for someone else to do the same.
    But the purpose of this topic was to highlight the shocking number of people who blame Obama specifically for the governments failure to be exceptional in its reaction to a storm caused in part by warming oceans. The energy has to go somewhere. Sadly it didn’t go to increase the brainpower of those who are to dim to realize that the President wasn’t the President in 2005. But as my homie Harry S Truman said, the buck stops here. And like so many things, the lowest common denominator often times has the loudest voice. Not a voice of reason or enlightenment but just ear splitting volume. It’s a good thing those folks can cook and play jazz and blues. Otherwise I’d contact a Real Estate agent and solicit a giant For Sale sign.

     
  13. Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]

    August 24, 2013 at 12:18 pm

     
    • sarahbloch

      August 24, 2013 at 12:23 pm

      That is the elephant in the room. Pun intended!

       
    • mitchethekid

      August 24, 2013 at 12:48 pm

      Great ass.

       
      • sarahbloch

        August 24, 2013 at 12:59 pm

        I knew you would say that. I, on the other hand was inspired by Fred’s brief but compelling take on the demographic decline of conservatism.

         
      • ricorun

        August 24, 2013 at 5:18 pm

        Speaking seriously once again (more or less anyway), don’t get too giddy about the “demographic decline” of the conservative movement. Be aware that the decline is only really obvious on the national level, which is to say in presidential elections. That’s a very important level, but not the only one. And “theoretically” it wouldn’t take all that much for the Republican party to turn their fortunes around even on that level. I say “theoretically” because it’s apparent that attempts to change the relative influence of any of the “three legs” that support the party (fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, defense conservatives) cause members most closely affiliated with the offended leg to threaten to chew it off at the hip. That’s a major problem for the GOP. But, again “theoretically”, it doesn’t have to be so. After all, the Democratic party doesn’t rely on specific legs. It’s more of an amoeba, where legs appear and disappear as conditions require.

        According to many, and especially “the B4V faithful” the ameboid features of the Democratic party is something to be scorned, ridiculed, and certainly avoided. Personally, I think it’s something worth modeling. IMO, just a little bit of outreach directed at the Hispanic community could make a world of difference. Likewise, if the spread in the African American community is, what, 96 – 4? And it was even before Obama came on the scene. That’s ridiculous. And it strongly suggests to me that instead of BLAMING the African American community for their perceived faults and differences (thereby building drifts on either side of where common ground ought to be), if a little time and effort was devoted to UNDERSTANDING their problems and beginning to address them it could yield big dividends for the GOP. You move that pointer 10% to 86-16, all of a sudden there are a bunch of “reliably blue” states which are once again in play.

         
      • GMB

        August 25, 2013 at 7:29 am

        “I, on the other hand was inspired by Fred’s brief but compelling take on the demographic decline of conservatism.”

        Conservatism is alive and well I assure you. 32 states have a government that is predominately conservative. Look at a county by county map of this country and look at all that red.

        Republicanism however is dieing. Good bye and good riddance.

         
      • Cluster

        August 25, 2013 at 8:04 am

        I have always been libertarian first, conservative second. So in that vain, I would not mourn the demise of the party that boasts Mitch McConnell as a leader.

        Ricorun had a surprisingly cogent post yesterday re: the amoebic nature of the Democratic Party, and I have to agree with him. Unfortunately, he saw it as a virtue, and I saw it has a vice. Politics and governance needs to be centered on principle, not popularity. Nazism was centered on populism, and the populace can be a fickle bunch, so what may seem like a good idea can have very adverse unintended consequences. It also has the tendency to give power to a few who can articulate the cause, and rally the masses.

         
      • GMB

        August 25, 2013 at 8:15 am

        “Nazism was centered on populism, and the populace can be a fickle bunch, so what may seem like a good idea can have very adverse unintended consequences. It also has the tendency to give power to a few who can articulate the cause, and rally the masses.”

        Yes. As the golden pheasants found out the period March through May 1945.

         
      • ricorun

        August 25, 2013 at 10:41 am

        Cluster: Politics and governance needs to be centered on principle, not popularity.

        That’s a false choice. An absurdly false one at that. Those aren’t two ends of a continuum. I wholly reject the notion that to the extent that one is popular one is not principled. Think Jesus. ‘Nuff said there, I guess.

        And why is it that people who think in ideological terms first and foremost can’t seem to see anything else but other opposing ideologies? I’ve noticed that on both sides of the aisle. Why does one have to choose an ideology instead of concentrating on what works? GMB made a step in the right direction the other day when he acknowledged that he’s in favor of welfare leniency rather than cookie cutter rules for people who deserve it. A strict libertarian, working only on principle, would advocate eliminating welfare altogether, and at all levels, be it federal, state, or local. To a strict libertarian, welfare is not the business of government. So I applaud him for making that baby step. And why did he make that baby step away from strict adherence to his preferred ideology? You’d have to ask him of course, but I suspect it’s because he recognizes that it works.

        Don’t get me wrong, I’m quite centered, quite moral, quite principled in my personal life. I just don’t think it’s right to try (or even productive) to foist my own personal morality and principles on everyone. Said in another way, why should it be necessary to equate personal morality with public policy? Pray in a closet, render to Caesar, and all that.

        GMB also said this: Republicanism however is dieing. Good bye and good riddance.

        My perception of the Republican party was constructed back in the 60s, 70s and 80s when they advertised themselves as the party of policies that worked. They were pragmatists first, not ideoloques. I want to get back to that time. And if that’s the part of the Republican party you hope to destroy, then I vehemently disagree.

         
      • Cluster

        August 25, 2013 at 1:31 pm

        Quite the rant. Strict libertarianism would be I guess in the same league as strict anarchy, and I know of no one who fully subscribes to the strict definitions, even anarchists. The brand of libertarianism that I subscribe to would dovetail with my conservative beliefs that a smaller, more decentralized government is a more efficient and effective government. So it’s a false assumption to comsider either myself or GMB to be strict in any vain. I also believe in some welfare, it’s where that welfare is administered that separates you and I. And the principles I speak of would be those principles outlined in the Constitution, and the bill of rights, which are anchored in Judeo- Christian values. Populism and principles can sometimes share the same path, but unless governance is anchored in principle, populism can often times derail it. Consider the election of Barack Obama as proof positive of that assertion.

         
      • ricorun

        August 25, 2013 at 6:17 pm

        Cluster: The brand of libertarianism that I subscribe to would dovetail with my conservative beliefs that a smaller, more decentralized government is a more efficient and effective government.

        It would be especially nice if you were willing to turn that around to stress your interest in the efficiency part first and foremost rather than the ideology part first and foremost. In other words, it would have been great if you said you believed that “an efficient and more effective government is a smaller, more decentralized government.” Then maybe we might have had something to discuss. But you didn’t. And I’m inclined to believe you didn’t because you don’t really give a rat’s ass if a smaller, more decentralized government is actually effective and efficient. You just want them off your ass, and you therefore claim you’d be so much more efficient if they were, regardless of whether it’s true or not. And in fact, there are plenty of examples indicating that that assumption is absolute total bullshit in and of itself. So that’s one thing.

        The other question is, how do you feel about big business? I find the two questions very much related. How about you?

         
      • Cluster

        August 25, 2013 at 6:35 pm

        I have no idea how efficient and effective rings more true when preceding small and decentralized government, then when following it, but it’s not the first time I haven’t understood you.

        I am not a fan of big business and prefer to deal with smaller outfits. I don’t brand my agency because of that. I have been in several conversations with some top brands and just detest their models and mandates. However franchising is not altogether bad, at least the ownership is local and they can be flexible and proactive to a degree. I do think that big business and big government are pretty much one in the same, and are often in bed together. The difference is that big business must stay competitive, offer desirable products and/or services, and watch their over head to remain big and profitable while government only has to manufacture needs and crisis’s to extract their money with little, to zero accountability. Big business’s come and go – government is forever.

         
      • Cluster

        August 26, 2013 at 4:23 am

        Rico,

        I have a follow up question for you – how do you feel about Big Education? It would appear that that is another large institution that has let this country down.

         
      • ricorun

        August 26, 2013 at 12:43 pm

        Cluster: I have a follow up question for you – how do you feel about Big Education?

        Yours is a nebulous question. If you asking whether education should be available to all children K-12 in a way that maximizes equal opportunity for all of them, then my answer would be yes. If you are asking whether existing educational institutions are anywhere close to achieving that, then I would say no. If you are asking whether continued privatization of the educational institutions will necessarily improve the situation, then I would say no. If you want me to offer more, please ask — and please ask with as much specificity as possible, okay? This is a very big, very complicated, very important issue.

        So let me ask you a question about Big Business — how do YOU define “economic/transactional externalities”, and who/what do you think the proper entity should be to deal with them?

         
    • ricorun

      August 24, 2013 at 4:00 pm

      Not Cluster, nor Casper, nor I (and perhaps a few others I could mention once my Alzheimer’s clears) were mentioned in your list of age guesses of regular posters. We’re not members of a collective or anything, so I can only speak for myself. And for myself, I think I might be offended. But give me a minute to think about it…

      … Okay, I thought about it. What was the question again?

       
    • ricorun

      August 24, 2013 at 4:32 pm

      Seriously though, a better question would be, “what would it take to get a decent share of that demographic back? I’ve been asking that question, off and on and in various ways and guises, ever since Obama kicked McCain’s ass. And basically, the only real answer I’ve gotten from the true faithful there on B4B is: “we want to be pure of ideology as we augur into the ground.” I would say, “Tecumseh couldn’t have said it better”, but the similarities are superficial at best. In the case of the “true faithful” there on B4B there seems to be little appreciation as to how absurd, self-absorbed, and inflexible their “pure ideology” really is. And that’s in addition to how woefully short-sighted it is. You’d think one short-coming would inform the other. And every once in a while there’s a glimmer of that. But it’s almost always followed by an even more stringent retrenchment. Then again, that’s accompanied by a retraction of the “approved commenter” base there on B4B.

      I think the conclusion is that concentrating on B4B is obviously not the answer to the better question. What was the question again?

       
  14. mitchethekid

    August 24, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Sarah, you are much more high minded than I.

    I’m just an animal looking for a home
    Share the same space for a minute or two
    And you love me till my heart stops
    Love me till I’m dead
    Eyes that light up, eyes look through you
    Cover up the blank spots
    Hit me on the head
    Ah ooh

    David Byrne Talking Heads

    So in an effort to masquerade as an esoteric, what Fred said (Fred said, hahaha! I’m a don’t know it poet) was a statement describing the obvious. Of course there are very few wacked-out, aged riddled cranky “conservatives” under 40. Or 30 or even 20 for that matter. Although my artist, Dancing Wu Li Masters reading Nihilist youngest announced last yr that women shouldn’t vote. Want his email address so you can excoriate him? Or should I beat him into consciousness for you?

     
  15. GMB

    August 24, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    “Even though Cluster is going through withdrawl and can’t quite stop posting there, sooner or later he will. Once he’s called out by Madam X.Or Noonan the pope”

    Maybe the declining customer base is the reason Mr. Noonan is now posting on AoS?

    Maybe? TeeHee. 🙂

    Don’t worry Cluster will leave when the time is right. Maybe the same day we give a certain state back to the froggys?

    Ribbit Ribbbbbittttt.

    🙂

     
    • Cluster

      August 25, 2013 at 5:19 am

      Even though Cluster is going through withdrawl

      Is that what that uncontrollable scratching is?

       
      • GMB

        August 25, 2013 at 7:08 am

        I don’t think so. Maybe you have fleas?

         
      • mitchethekid

        August 25, 2013 at 6:15 pm

        Try Cortizone creme. It works wonders. But the best cure for everything from broken bones to broken ideology is Vicks Vapor Rub. Just a little dab will do ya!

         
  16. mitchethekid

    August 24, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    Whats AoS?

     
    • GMB

      August 24, 2013 at 8:28 pm

      Ace of Spades.

      Please no trolling. Don’t make Pixie work any harder than he has to.

      http://minx.cc/?post=342778

      Here is the thread. This is the first time I have ever seen him post on the HQ and I have been hanging out there for years. Very infrequent commenter there myself. They are a bit raw.for me.

      Look for this

      UI/5X

      That is unique hash tag. Every ip is assigned one. Doesn’t matter the name. Your hash is what identifies yourself

      Mine is this nkPV9

       
  17. GMB

    August 24, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    !Happy Birthday!

    !124 shopping days until Christmas!

     
  18. GMB

    August 26, 2013 at 12:13 am

    Beg pardon all, I cant seem to find the right link to reply to Rico.

    First point.

    Unless welfare just disappears in the next few moments there are always going to be people on it. Therefore would it not be in the best interest of all tax payers to allow recipients to go ahead and get even a part time job, in the hopes that skills can be developed and good work habits be learned. These people are going to be on welfare anyway right.

    I would say give these people at least two years of working and getting welfare at the same time.Even if only a few people get work and stop their welfare the tax payer has won twice. They are no longer paying someone not to work but a bean counter has lost a job.

    I’ll let someone else determine what percentage of welfare money is kept during whatever time frame they decide.

    End point. The tax payer still wins.

    Rico about that quote of mine. For Shame!! Using it out of context like that. Big government statism may be the ascendent ideology nationally now but in American politics the worm has a habit of reversing directions suddenly.

    End Point. Don’t get cocky.

     
    • ricorun

      August 26, 2013 at 10:38 am

      Concerning the shame I should feel about quoting you out of context… you’re referring to the “Republicanism is dieing [sic]” quote right? I presume so, because that’s the only time I quoted you on this thread (until below, that is). And frankly, I don’t think I took it out of context. So I don’t think I should feel any shame. Were you thinking of something else?

      Anyway, you said, Unless welfare just disappears in the next few moments there are always going to be people on it.

      Uh… yeah. And unless people stop getting sick in the next few moments there is always going to be medical care. Well, duh. Lol!

      Actually, I think what you’re trying to say is that some folks will always prefer “welfare” to work. And you’re certainly right to some extent. But it’s also true that “welfare” is not a single entity, and that many programs subsumed under that banner DO have work requirements. And I think the 1996 reforms had a considerable positive impact. Perhaps you would like to reform the system more, but what you said most lately sounds rather nebulous.

       
      • GMB

        August 26, 2013 at 11:23 am

        This comment was not directed towards the disabled and I do believe you know it. It was directed towards able bodied non working. Especially those that want to work and can not find it.

        You need to quit picking at nits.

         
      • ricorun

        August 26, 2013 at 11:52 am

        GMB: You need to quit picking at nits.

        Believe me, I’m not trying to “pick at nits”. I really am trying to figure out what the hell you’re talking about. So okay, you’re talking about the “able bodied non working”, not the disabled. And no, I didn’t realize that before now. So what do you believe the proportion of “welfare” allocations to that group is? And what is the total dollar amount allocated to that group? And how exactly are you defining “welfare”? Are you including such things as unemployment insurance and social security?

        Then again, perhaps you define “picking at nits” any effort to get you to stop being so nebulous?

         
  19. Majordomo Pain

    August 26, 2013 at 6:52 am

    Neocon1 excoriated by Amazons for praising Timothy McVeigh.

    http://blogsforvictory.com/2013/08/23/americas-shame/#comments

     
    • Cluster

      August 26, 2013 at 7:06 am

      You might want to reread the exchange – Amazona DID NOT praise McVeigh

       
      • Majordomo Pain

        August 26, 2013 at 7:54 am

        Did We misspeak? As English is not Our native language We, Ourselves, felt this was the proper construction. Indeed it was Neocon1 who called McVeigh a patriot.

         
      • ricorun

        August 26, 2013 at 10:40 am

        No Pain, you did fine. I think Cluster needs to re-read what you said.

         
    • casper

      August 26, 2013 at 7:01 pm

      “Majordomo Pain
      August 26, 2013 at 6:52 am

      Neocon1 excoriated by Amazons for praising Timothy McVeigh.”

      Seems CSL (crazy stalker lady) needs to have someone to attack. If it’s not a lib then neo is the next best option. I should note that I agree with CSL 100% on this. Neo has been praising McVeigh for years. Trouble is no conservatives have been willing to call him out on it before.

       
      • mitchethekid

        August 26, 2013 at 7:20 pm

        You are correctamundo! Ding Ding Ding! Her entire being is sensitized to attack, to prove that she’s smart than, more enlightened than the rest of the dwindling population of small fish in the evaporating pond of B4V. Like I said, they have turned into the Donner Party. Absent of favors. My wishes have come true.Praise Jesus.
        And Neo is still a black hole of hate.

         
      • Majordomo Pain

        August 27, 2013 at 3:56 am

        Casper your words are Truth. Neocon1 does support violence in this manner far to often.

         
  20. mitchethekid

    August 26, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Wow. Looks like B4V is turning into the Donner Party. And I doubt they will provide any party favors.

     
 
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